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October 21, 2015 at 12:42 pm
the only futile and completely useless debate you can have with an atheist is one regarding the existence of God , but concerning issues of religion i have found that many atheists have come from an extensive background in religion and many know a lot about the Bible . yet they are obviously going to refute your claims , or they might agree , but thats what a debate involves is disagreement . but most are not ill informed with Bible topics and would be interested in debating them i think .
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RE: Forum theists: when you have a moment, please...
October 21, 2015 at 1:05 pm
(October 21, 2015 at 12:42 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: the only futile and completely useless debate you can have with an atheist is one regarding the existence of God
That's not entirely true. While the arguments for his existence are lacking and totally unconvincing, the debate could still serve to make a few atheists yet.
I can't remember where this verse is from, I think it got removed from canon:
"I don't hang around with mostly men because I'm gay. It's because men are better than women. Better trained, better equipped...better. Just better! I'm not gay."
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October 21, 2015 at 1:14 pm
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(October 21, 2015 at 1:05 pm)Exian Wrote: (October 21, 2015 at 12:42 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: the only futile and completely useless debate you can have with an atheist is one regarding the existence of God
That's not entirely true. While the arguments for his existence are lacking and totally unconvincing, the debate could still serve to make a few atheists yet.
yes true it could be productive in making a religious person question their religion but it wouldn't convince an atheist that God exists any efforts in doing that would be futile so i guess it depends on what side your on whether it could be considered useless or not 
Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you will join us And the world will be as one - John Lennon
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RE: Forum theists: when you have a moment, please...
October 21, 2015 at 1:14 pm
(October 21, 2015 at 1:14 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: (October 21, 2015 at 1:05 pm)Exian Wrote: That's not entirely true. While the arguments for his existence are lacking and totally unconvincing, the debate could still serve to make a few atheists yet.
yes true it could be productive in making a religious person question their religion but it wouldnt convince an atheist that God exists
Probably not.
I can't remember where this verse is from, I think it got removed from canon:
"I don't hang around with mostly men because I'm gay. It's because men are better than women. Better trained, better equipped...better. Just better! I'm not gay."
For context, this is the previous verse:
"Hi Jesus" -robvalue
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RE: Forum theists: when you have a moment, please...
October 21, 2015 at 1:22 pm
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(October 21, 2015 at 1:14 pm)Exian Wrote: (October 21, 2015 at 1:14 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: yes true it could be productive in making a religious person question their religion but it wouldnt convince an atheist that God exists
Probably not.
not many people have belief systems that can be swayed by the opinions of strangers unless their beliefs are incredibly weak or they have a strong desire to please other people and conform to other peoples beliefs , but pointing out flaws and contradictions in religion is always an effort that is worth attempting and can be effective after all many atheists were once religious .
Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you will join us And the world will be as one - John Lennon
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RE: Forum theists: when you have a moment, please...
October 21, 2015 at 1:46 pm
(October 21, 2015 at 12:29 pm)Godschild Wrote: (October 20, 2015 at 10:01 pm)Strider Wrote: On the contrary, many of the atheists, agnostics, and others here know quite a bit about the bible. Some, such as myself, are former churchgoers and know about as much about the bible as any other person sitting in the pews on a given Wednesday or Sunday. As a matter of fact, I'd say that I didn't really start reading the bible critically until what little faith I had was gone.
I disagree, some of you have read the Bible but you take to it with a negative attitude, biased against it. Actually I've seen little from you that would make me believe you understand the Bible.
GC
There may very well be atheists here who have read and studied the Bible objectively. There are certainly several who have studied the book with bias towards it at some point...no shortage of ex-theists here. Why does understanding the Bible mean accepting it in its entirety as truth, in your eyes?
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October 21, 2015 at 1:51 pm
(October 21, 2015 at 10:13 am)Irrational Wrote: (October 21, 2015 at 9:58 am)ChadWooters Wrote: They base their judgment of God on their own personal moral standards or relative to social norms of Western culture.
Nothing wrong with that. How else can one judge God (assuming he exists)? Or are you saying God should be beyond judgement even if he did things that harm us?
If someone has either an impoverished idea of God's nature and/or inadequate standard for The Good the he lacks the ability to distinguish between what only appears to be harmful and that which actually is. In addition God's restorative justice alters the calculus.
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RE: Forum theists: when you have a moment, please...
October 21, 2015 at 1:51 pm
(October 21, 2015 at 1:46 pm)Thena323 Wrote: (October 21, 2015 at 12:29 pm)Godschild Wrote: I disagree, some of you have read the Bible but you take to it with a negative attitude, biased against it. Actually I've seen little from you that would make me believe you understand the Bible.
GC
There may very well be atheists here who have read and studied the Bible objectively. There are certainly several who have studied the book with bias towards it at some point...no shortage of ex-theists here. Why does understanding the Bible mean accepting it in its entirety as truth, in your eyes?
Great question. That's just the other end of bias.
I can't remember where this verse is from, I think it got removed from canon:
"I don't hang around with mostly men because I'm gay. It's because men are better than women. Better trained, better equipped...better. Just better! I'm not gay."
For context, this is the previous verse:
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RE: Forum theists: when you have a moment, please...
October 21, 2015 at 1:58 pm
No, it's very unlikely anyone is going to suddenly convince me there is a god. Not least because they can't even define what they are trying to convince me of.
There is no new evidence, only warmed-up old fallacious arguments.
But I'm not being deliberately difficult, because I don't care either way. It would just be interesting if I found out that there was some evidence. I would love to see something challenging, rather than the same old shit over and over.
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RE: Forum theists: when you have a moment, please...
October 21, 2015 at 2:14 pm
(October 21, 2015 at 1:51 pm)Exian Wrote: (October 21, 2015 at 1:46 pm)Thena323 Wrote: There may very well be atheists here who have read and studied the Bible objectively. There are certainly several who have studied the book with bias towards it at some point...no shortage of ex-theists here. Why does understanding the Bible mean accepting it in its entirety as truth, in your eyes?
Great question. That's just the other end of bias.
Get that a lot here.
It would be easier to discuss how, who, and why to believe with atheists if they believed.
Still better than wanting sex with God threads. 
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