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Christian fundamentalists plot against the US Constitution
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Christian fundamentalists plot against the US Constitution
thanks to Kentucky’s open records law, the Associated Press has recently obtained the emails of county clerk Kim Davis . The emails are interesting if only because they show just how crazy (and dangerous) fanatics like Davis are, particularly if they happen to work as public servants.

It’s easy to dismiss all of this as the fevered ramblings of an obscure county clerk – and clearly that’s what they are. Davis, after all, doesn’t really matter. What’s scary, however, is that Davis isn’t alone.

Since the 1970s, when conservative Protestants became politically active, Christians have sought to blur the boundary between secular law and religious doctrine. The idea, as evangelical scholar Lynn Buzzard wrote, was to “reject the division of human affairs into the secular and the sacred and insist, instead, that there is no arena of human activity, including law and politics, which is outside of God’s lordship.”

The Christian dominionist movement whos primary goal is to implant religious zealots in public office in order to Christianize the laws, the courts and all public institutions. Dominionists are operative today across the country and in the South particularly, and their theo-political philosophy animates political figures like Ted Cruz and Bobby Jindal.

http://www.publiceye.org/christian_right/dominionism.htm


I have no idea if Kim Davis self-identifies as a Christian dominionist, but her belief that religious laws trump secular laws in the public space is consistent with dominionist thinking. Davis may be a footnote to a news cycle, but there are plenty of people with more influence who share her worldview, and they’re a legitimate threat insofar as they actively seek to undermine the Constitution.

Kim Davis is likely more deranged than your average dominionist (or not), and her persecution mania was surely amplified by all the attention she received, but she’s a product of an ascendant and genuinely theocratic movement. I doubt Ben Carson thinks Jesus will return next Tuesday, as Davis evidently does, but, like Huckabee and Jindal and Cruz, he’s fighting the same battle as Davis.

Carson has said, in effect, that America is a Christian nation and that we should have something like a religious test for office. What Carson and other Republicans defend under the guise of “religious liberty” is often just an attempt to elevate God’s law over secular law. This is what Davis tried to do in Kentucky, and it’s what Hobby Lobby more or less did in 2014.

So sure, Davis is an afterthought, but the religious fanaticism she represents isn’t ! We can say no way can a theocracy happen in America but that is the agenda of this fundie movement which has been organizing since the late 70's until now its not going to become less influential or organized but more so if secular society just ignores it ... not to be paranoid but look at what happened in Germany with Christians there so dont think it couldnt happen if its allowed to happen it definately could  Sad   so seriously this fundie movement needs to be monitored and resisted
Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today   FSM Grin   Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you will join us And the world will be as one  - John Lennon

The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also  - Mark Twain
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This movement is real, and there are thousands of them.  Nearly all Evangelicals (making up nearly 1/4 of the American population) are also Dominionist.   They pray constantly for the day when their church will control the governments of not just America . . . Jesus is supposed to come back and rule over the entire world.  The only difference between them and ISIS is willing to use guns and risk their lives.   The Evangelicals could get there . . . it's a scary thought.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
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I don't think that's actually the difference....

Violence in the middle east, sure.....but..
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Christians have been whittling away at this secular country since the beginning. They've gained a lot of ground, unfortunately, and not they cry persecution because secularists are fighting back.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/

Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html

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sorry everyone about my OP somehow half of it became a link but its readable and you get what im saying ill try to fix it tomorrow so its not such a mess :p    but oh well ..... i dont think we should just assume these religious extremists are harmless in positions of power we need to fight against all their efforts to bring religion into government and they are trying and yes it could happen of course if we let it . i think in the future we are really going to have to become active to keep a secular government .    religious people should be kicked out of office first attempt at inserting religion
Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today   FSM Grin   Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you will join us And the world will be as one  - John Lennon

The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also  - Mark Twain
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You won't be able to fix it tomorrow, you have a two-hour edit window.

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(October 24, 2015 at 8:04 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: You won't be able to fix it tomorrow, you have a two-hour edit window.

i fixed it thanks sorry about that . well i just came across this article about kim davis to see if there was anything new going on with her drama , and there was - emails with her rantings which is just basically her being persecuted bla bla bla but the article also had this info. about this movement in it which i had never heard of and i thought it was much more interesting ... it definately looks like an organized agenda to turn America into a theocracy and they may be small now but i dont want to live in a theocracy ! can you imagine if ppl like kim davis are accomodated ?  i dont think Huckabee is any less fanatical than kim davis hes just being PC and keeping it hidden .
Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people Living for today   FSM Grin   Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you will join us And the world will be as one  - John Lennon

The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also  - Mark Twain
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(October 24, 2015 at 7:44 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: This movement is real, and there are thousands of them.  Nearly all Evangelicals (making up nearly 1/4 of the American population) are also Dominionist.   They pray constantly for the day when their church will control the governments of not just America . . . Jesus is supposed to come back and rule over the entire world.  The only difference between them and ISIS is willing to use guns and risk their lives.   The Evangelicals could get there . . . it's a scary thought.

That's so true, and it's something history can back up

A lot of these Evangelical right-wingers will oppose Islamic views in favour of Christian ones, because they see Christianity as relatively benign and peaceful.

What they can't work out is that Christianity only looks benign and peaceful today because secularism has stripped away it's political clout. Go back to late medieval/early modern Europe, you find a totally different picture, one that is disturbingly similar to the modern Middle East.

Although their most basic views on prophets, forms of worship, and holy events are different, in terms of moral values and views on society Christianity and Islam are as good as the same religion. You give either religion political power to run a country, you will get the exact same results.
"Adulthood is like looking both ways before you cross the road, and then getting hit by an airplane"  - sarcasm_only

"Ironically like the nativist far-Right, which despises multiculturalism, but benefits from its ideas of difference to scapegoat the other and to promote its own white identity politics; these postmodernists, leftists, feminists and liberals also use multiculturalism, to side with the oppressor, by demanding respect and tolerance for oppression characterised as 'difference', no matter how intolerable."
- Maryam Namazie

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(October 24, 2015 at 7:58 pm)jenny1972 Wrote: sorry everyone about my OP somehow half of it became a link but its readable and you get what im saying ill try to fix it tomorrow so its not such a mess :p    but oh well ..... i dont think we should just assume these religious extremists are harmless in positions of power we need to fight against all their efforts to bring religion into government and they are trying and yes it could happen of course if we let it . i think in the future we are really going to have to become active to keep a secular government .    religious people should be kicked out of office first attempt at inserting religion

The closest brush we've had with Dominionism was the Bush-Lite administration. Dominionists are a pain in the ass because they never stop trying to slip prayer and creationism into schools, get laws passed legislating their backward morality and otherwise pushing against Jefferson's Wall of Separation. It rarely goes unchallenged though. Somebody always rises up, gets legal help from the ACLU and defeats their shit in courts. Like I said, they're a pain in the ass because they keep on trying. Their only hope of ever succeeding is to stack the courts with ultra-conservative judges. That doesn't work because even the conservative judges are only willing to go so far or they get sacked (like Roy Moore).

I think we have the level of activism we need (except in the Bible Belt). If they start to rise up and push harder, activism will rise up in response. They don't worry me.
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.

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I've seen the original handwritten US Constitution (copies, I mean) and it's so nearly illegible, I'm not sure anyone could 'plot against it', as no one knows what it says.  For example - as near as I can make out - the Second Amendment appears to be a recipe for apple crumble, and the President's only official duty is to 'blow the Horn Of Cheese', not further explained.

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