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RE: Strict gun control in france.
November 16, 2015 at 10:58 pm
(November 16, 2015 at 10:35 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: What, so if a mass shooting is meant to cause terrorism then gun control suddenly isn't effective?
No. There is a substantial difference between a crime orchestrated by an international terrorist network and one organized by single lone nut, with the help of gun-store gift vouchers. You see - we get a mass shooting once every 10 years. USA gets one once a week. Do the math. Or not, whatever...
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RE: Strict gun control in france.
November 16, 2015 at 11:18 pm
(November 16, 2015 at 10:35 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: What, so if a mass shooting is meant to cause terrorism then gun control suddenly isn't effective?
No, I just think it's ignorant to think that laws intended to curb common gun violence are also intended to prevent ideologically driven mass murders such as this one.
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RE: Strict gun control in france.
November 17, 2015 at 1:49 am
(November 16, 2015 at 11:18 pm)Faith No More Wrote: (November 16, 2015 at 10:35 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: What, so if a mass shooting is meant to cause terrorism then gun control suddenly isn't effective?
No, I just think it's ignorant to think that laws intended to curb common gun violence are also intended to prevent ideologically driven mass murders such as this one.
Exactly. When the perpetrators are motivated and work as a team, laws, any laws, are easily subverted.
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RE: Strict gun control in france.
November 17, 2015 at 2:01 am
(November 16, 2015 at 10:07 pm)Kaiser Wrote: Ah, so you're that kind of dickhead. A fine addition to my ignore list, you will make 
Now now. This site was created so dickheads and non-dickheads could meet and discuss who the real dickhead is based on how well they present their case.
Lets give the potential dickhead a chance.
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RE: Strict gun control in france.
November 17, 2015 at 2:05 am
(November 16, 2015 at 9:56 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: How come france's strict gun control didn't prevent the tragedy there?
Guns make acts of terrorism easier to perpetrate. Thats not to say that eliminating guns will eliminate terrorism but it will greatly lessen the liklihood of it happening and succeeding.
However, given enough time such things are bound to happen eventually. The goal of complete prevention is unrealistic, its simply the stars we shoot for while we attain lower frequency and lower severity of incidents. I think thats worth the attempt, don't you?
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RE: Strict gun control in france.
November 17, 2015 at 2:39 am
About those gun laws...
In France, we have this,
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/france
Quote:In France, the annual rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 population is
2012: 0.21
2011: 0.22
2010: 0.19
2009: 0.21
2008: 0.22
2007: 0.15
2006: 0.17
2005: 0.19
2004: 0.21
2003: 0.20
2002: 0.25
2001: 0.26
2000: 0.25
1999: 0.26
1998: 0.29
1997: 0.37
1994: 0.44
compared to this in the USA:
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states
Quote:In the United States, the annual rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 population is
2013: 3.55
2012: 3.70
2011: 3.55
2010: 3.59
2009: 3.75
2008: 4.01
2007: 4.19
2006: 4.29
2005: 4.18
2004: 3.97
2003: 4.11
2002: 4.11
2001: 3.98
2000: 3.84
1999: 3.88
1998: 3.37
1993: 7.07
I don't know about you, but from where I'm standing those laws look pretty darn effective to me.
Also, this: http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compar...,192,30,25
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RE: Strict gun control in france.
November 17, 2015 at 5:11 am
(November 17, 2015 at 2:39 am)Darkstar Wrote: About those gun laws...
In France, we have this,
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/france
Quote:In France, the annual rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 population is
2012: 0.21
2011: 0.22
2010: 0.19
2009: 0.21
2008: 0.22
2007: 0.15
2006: 0.17
2005: 0.19
2004: 0.21
2003: 0.20
2002: 0.25
2001: 0.26
2000: 0.25
1999: 0.26
1998: 0.29
1997: 0.37
1994: 0.44
compared to this in the USA:
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states
Quote:In the United States, the annual rate of firearm homicide per 100,000 population is
2013: 3.55
2012: 3.70
2011: 3.55
2010: 3.59
2009: 3.75
2008: 4.01
2007: 4.19
2006: 4.29
2005: 4.18
2004: 3.97
2003: 4.11
2002: 4.11
2001: 3.98
2000: 3.84
1999: 3.88
1998: 3.37
1993: 7.07
I don't know about you, but from where I'm standing those laws look pretty darn effective to me.
Also, this: http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compar...,192,30,25
I think it would be great if people started examining overall gun stats, rather than making emotional arguments about individual cases of violence. Anti-gun people do it with every shooting in the US. However the same people will say that Frances laws have nothing to do with what happened there. As though examination is only needed on one side of the gun issue.
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RE: Strict gun control in france.
November 17, 2015 at 5:12 am
(November 17, 2015 at 1:49 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: (November 16, 2015 at 11:18 pm)Faith No More Wrote: No, I just think it's ignorant to think that laws intended to curb common gun violence are also intended to prevent ideologically driven mass murders such as this one.
Exactly. When the perpetrators are motivated and work as a team, laws, any laws, are easily subverted.
Then what use are gun laws?
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RE: Strict gun control in france.
November 17, 2015 at 5:16 am
(November 16, 2015 at 11:18 pm)Faith No More Wrote: (November 16, 2015 at 10:35 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: What, so if a mass shooting is meant to cause terrorism then gun control suddenly isn't effective?
No, I just think it's ignorant to think that laws intended to curb common gun violence are also intended to prevent ideologically driven mass murders such as this one.
Well that's the argument that we hear all the time from people who advocate stricter gun laws. Every single shooting in the US is used as an example by people on these forums all the time. Not surprisingly the same people are suddenly screaming 'oh but this is a statistical abnormality'
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RE: Strict gun control in france.
November 17, 2015 at 5:23 am
What the fuck is it with American gun nutters being all evangelical about their gay sticks? There are the exact same threads on TTA as well.
Gun nuttery is just a substitute religion.
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