Intelligent Atheists: Who/What Was Jesus?

[ignoramus]

Chances are more likely that it's just shit that's been twisted and exaggerated over the years, especially given the ignorance and gullibility of humans during that time

Correct. You know what is absolutely hilarious and sad at the same time. That billions of people still believe the same shit as then in today's world.
This for me is absolutely unforgivable. All it tells me is that we haven't progressed or matured as a collective in 2000 years.

[Aractus]

They may not be self-consciously aware for significant periods of time. Despite this, the intention is to attract more 'intelligent' debate whenever possible, even if extreme unintelligence is inevitably unavoidable. Even if one possesses intelligence, one can still demonstrate ranges of intelligence regarding different topics. In that sense, intelligence can be seen as a sliding scale which one may be capable of choosing to engage with or not.

I now have a question for you; is it intelligent to respond to topics which one considers irrelevant and does not care about?

The problem is people think their biased opinions are equal to fact, even against academic evidence.

The question of who was Jesus is a very important one - he started a movement that then started a new religion. He reinterpreted much of the Mosaic Law, and I've said why I think he did that: there are two reasons actually; one he disagreed with the version taught by the mainstream first century Palestinian Jewish leaders/authorities, and two he valued compassion for people much more than the Jewish authorities. Whether this was itself motivate by his apocalyptic beliefs I'm not sure, but it seems quite plausible.

But I think it's important to realise he was just a human being; he didn't deliver teachings that stepped outside of what the Law (or his interpretation of it anyway) taught. He didn't say women aren't property, women should be allowed to inherit like they can in Egypt, or that domestic violence is unacceptable:

“The husband cannot be guilty of a rape committed by himself upon his lawful wife, for by their mutual consent and contract the wife hath given up herself in this kind unto her husband, which she cannot retract.” – Sir Matthew Hale in 1673 as Chief Justice; Hale was devoutly religious and had previously wanted to become a priest, and was said not to have missed Sunday church for 36 years straight. So you'd think Jesus could have given us a head's up about rape and domestic violence if he was truly wise and divine. The fact that he had nothing to say about it proves he was just an ordinary human - perhaps a great humanitarian for his time, but he was still just a fallible human.

[downbeatplumb]

Hello everyone,

I would like your honest views on who or what you think Jesus really was, with some reasonable justifications please.

I ask this because some say he was a myth, some say he existed, some say he represents a sun god, etcetera...

I am simply unsure and require answers for further discussions.

Thanks!

I tend to think he was a charismatic cult leader like David Koresch. I base this on the justifications given to his ignoble death.

[GrandizerII]

Yep, a charismatic apocalyptic character who was not as popular during his lifetime as the Gospels make him out to be. In reality, a failure of a Messiah, but made a success and legend after his death.

[Aractus]

The gospels don't make him out to be overly popular.

[robvalue]

He was gay.

[Edwardo Piet]

Actually he was autosexual.

If believing you are the son of God isn't wanting to fuck your own brains out I don't know what is.

Not many people know this but.... that's actually the reason he's often referred to as: Jesus Fucking Christ

From the Wiktionary definition of "autosexual":

A person who has sex with himself or herself; one aroused by his or her own body.

My bolding

Jesus made himself horny.

Don't believe me? "Pics or it didn't happen" I hear you say?

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[ignoramus]

Now it all makes sense Eve.

You are Evie AND a turtle AND a turtly God!

The trinity is complete!
Therefore feel free to go fuck yourself!

(jk - you know I luv ya)

[Edwardo Piet]

I don't get the joke. I'd love to, I've been meaning to all day I just enjoy teasing myself so I'm delaying the inevitable for phunzees

[ignoramus]

What I'm saying is if it's good enough for Jesus to keep himself entertained way back then, you've got no excuse.
He had camel's toes to inspire him, you've got youporn.