Disturbing/discouraging video about Islam.

[Mystic]

Thank you for the response MK. I'm going to bed right now but will read what you wrote more thoroughly and probably come back with a question or 2. Thanks again.

You welcome. Welcome to ask as much questions as you want. I'm not sure if I have the right answers let alone answers for them. But I will try my best.

[loganonekenobi]

one strong point the questioner made was that the rules are nearly the same for all the central faiths ;christian, muslim, judaism.

[Mystic]

Notice the questioner said "if it is from God". Yes I to would follow any law I knew was from God. But to know it's from God is actually different.

He didn't ask "who agrees with stoning for adultery". Rather put the clause "whatever law as long is it's from God and his Messenger".

The Quran for example says if God wrote down for people to leave their homes or kill themselves, it would be better for them to obey that even though very few in actuality would obey those commands.

But reality he would never do so, and it goes against his nature to do so. 

So how many people actually believe in those laws out of the audience is not known by the way he phrased the question.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Notice the questioner said "if it is from God". Yes I to would follow any law I knew was from God. But to know it's from God is actually different.

He didn't ask "who agrees with stoning for adultery". Rather put the clause "whatever law as long is it's from God and his Messenger".

The Quran for example says if God wrote down for people to leave their homes or kill themselves, it would be better for them to obey that even though very few in actuality would obey those commands.

But reality he would never do so, and it goes against his nature to do so. 

So how many people actually believe in those laws out of the audience is not known by the way he phrased the question.

Do you do the things Mohammed did?

[WinterHold]

Thank you for shedding some light. Would you say the people in this video are pretty extreme? Or are they an accurate representation of the average Muslim?

You are welcome.

It's an accurate representation for the religious ones only. There are many Muslims who choose not to think about it; and explicitly tend to say : 
"leave these matters to the religious".

Because for the average Muslim, such sentence would put him/her in a very critical corner; that is :

1-Would the person reject the sentence ? because if so, then he/she rejected the core foundation of his/her sect : a Hadith admitted though the ages to authentic and real.  Rejection means that the person is negating his/her own faith foundation. Usually this type of Muslim is escaping from something, mostly the guilt of accepting such acts. 

2-Would the person accept the sentence ? because if so, then he/she is following what their sect is dictating by the book : he/she is following the Hadiths & the scholars' publications that make up their sects.

In conclusion, if a Sunni/Shia Muslim wants to become religious, he/she should believe that stoning is a valid sentence, or else, they will be negating their own faiths.

[Catholic_Lady]

No, it was not. 

Oh, sure. Lying's always a good way to get yourself out of an inconvenient position. Well played.

But here - in case you're simply ignorant - read up.
http://www.shc.edu/theolibrary/resources/Timeline.htm

The Church's teaching on sexual morality is definitely written in official Church doctrine and will not change.

That's what your ancestors were saying about antisemitism. Official church doctrine can always be changed - and it often was in the past. I'm sure future christians will be as ashamed of your views, as you are of catholic anti-semitic, or anti-women-suffrage positions - to the point where they will be denying the fact  it ever happened. If you're lucky - you won't be around to see it. Good for you...

HN, you don't understand what Church Dogma is.

[WinterHold]

Islam is divided between two main sects :
1-Sunna
2-Shiia

The speakers/audience are Sunna.  For example, you'll see Muslims who are neither shia nor sunna, who don't support these views.Like me.
Though both sects (Sunna/shia) agree on stoning.

For starters, stoning is not present in the Quran. Sunna / shia used something called "Hadith" to fetch that sentence; i.e it's not a part of the original faith. I never agreed on stoning. 
Sunna Muslims do the disaster, then say "all Muslims do it". They should speak about themselves only.

According to Pew, 10-13% of Muslims in the world are Shia, while Sunni make up 87-90%. In other words, those whom you describe as finding agreement on stoning comprise basically 100% of Muslims, or a number close enough that those such yourself are not even large enough to be represented. This is a problem, yes?

http://www.pewforum.org/2009/10/07/mappi...opulation/

I can agree. Matter in fact, I'm fighting a whole nation with my views. Though don't consider "all" muslims as supporters, only the religous ones are, usually many Sunni/Shia Muslims are ignoring sentences like this and just leave it to the religious and to the scholars.

[Napoléon]

Therefore, expecting a muslim to be your friend if you are not one is expecting him to turn his back on his doctrine which prohibits that and will cause him to end up in Islamic hell.

I never said anything about expecting him to be my friend. I was just pointing out the obvious differences in how muslims interact with other muslims vs non-muslims.

Thanks for the schooling tho.

[mralstoner]

Yeah the video is real. Broadly speaking, there are two types of Muslims:

1 - Superficial/cultural Muslims who pray, eat halal, cover their heads, and fast. They may well be serious believers, and take these duties seriously, but they're not interested in a deeper/intellectual level of religion. These are probably your friends. Generally they avoid intellectual discussion and are sensitive about the topic.

2 - Devout Muslims who want a deeper knowledge of exactly the right way to follow their god. Alas, when you look into the ideology/doctrine/history of Islam and the prophet Mohammed, the rabbit hole goes very deep, and very ugly. Islam is a religion of evil. It has been since the prophet Mohammed head-chopped his way over Arabia. These devout Muslims are typically those that go to conferences, and take on leadership roles.

The bottom line is: when you encounter an intellectual/deeper Muslim, don't be surprised if you get a rude acquaintance with unreformed 7th Century barbarism.

There are many Christians who are experts about true Islam, and you can find their videos on YouTube e.g. Robert Spencer, David Wood, Nabeel Qureshi, Brother Rachid, Usama Dakdok.

[Catholic_Lady]

Yeah the video is real. Broadly speaking, there are two types of Muslims:

1 - Superficial/cultural Muslims who pray, eat halal, cover their heads, and fast. They may well be serious believers, and take these duties seriously, but they're not interested in a deeper/intellectual level of religion. These are probably your friends. Generally they avoid intellectual discussion and are sensitive about the topic.

2 - Devout Muslims who want a deeper knowledge of exactly the right way to follow their god. Alas, when you look into the ideology/doctrine/history of Islam and the prophet Mohammed, the rabbit hole goes very deep, and very ugly. Islam is a religion of evil. It has been since the prophet Mohammed head-chopped his way over Arabia. These devout Muslims are typically those that go to conferences, and take on leadership roles.

The bottom line is: when you encounter an intellectual/deeper Muslim, don't be surprised if you get a rude acquaintance with unreformed 7th Century barbarism.

There are many Christians who are experts about true Islam, and you can find their videos on YouTube e.g. Robert Spencer, David Wood, Nabeel Qureshi, Brother Rachid, Usama Dakdok.

#1 describes my friends to a tea. The few times I have asked him a question about an Islamic teaching, he had no idea what the answer was. The most recent example was a couple weeks ago when he was telling me about how he and his wife haven't had sex all week because she was on her period and that is considered immoral in his religion. I asked him why it was immoral and he had no idea. He also didn't know why men are allowed to marry multiple women, but a woman can't marry multiple men. Things that seem like they'd be pretty basic. He believes those moral teachings but doesn't know why they are what they are.