Disturbing/discouraging video about Islam.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Lol how is believing that Mary got pregnant via the Holy Spirit different from believing that stoning adulterers is good and needs to be implemented worldwide? Come on, AFTT. Surely you see a difference?

Actually, I don't see a difference because you got got both beliefs from the same source. If you trust the source, why would you accept one while rejecting the other? How do you decide one part of your holy book is absolute truth while another is crap?

Cherry picking.

[abaris]

The inquisition, the burning of heretics, all that stuff were practices of the time, but they were not coming from doctrinal laws.

Look up the bull summis desiderantes. Issued to fight witches.

Truth is, you can always cherry pick what your particular book provides. If you're only looking for the good, you find that, if you're looking for the bad, you find that too. Islam isn't as doctrinal as the catholic church in any case, since none of their different branches have some ultimate authority giving the marching orders. It's up to the individual preacher what he wants to convey.

What little I know of the Quran, it's as contradictive as the bible. There are passages arguing for being mild and tolerant and there are of course the vile verses.

[Homeless Nutter]

That's what I'm trying to say. The inquisition, the burning of heretics, all that stuff were practices of the time, but they were not coming from doctrinal laws. [...]

Oh, really? And what about anti-semitism? Was that not a doctrine? Then what did pope Paul IV do in 1964?

And in a generation or 2 - I'll bet your descendants will claim that oppression of homosexuals was "never a doctrine" and that "it's just what happened back in the days". Yeah - ignorance is bliss, isn't it. And it also helps to be a hypocrite...

[AFTT47]

Was Church Doctrine  in affect during the Inquisition?

That's what I'm trying to say. The inquisition, the burning of heretics, all that stuff were practices of the time, but they were not coming from doctrinal laws.

[Catholic_Lady]

That's what I'm trying to say. The inquisition, the burning of heretics, all that stuff were practices of the time, but they were not coming from doctrinal laws. [...]

Oh, really? And what about anti-semitism? Was that not a doctrine? Then what did pope Paul IV do in 1964?

And in a generation or 2 - I'll bet your descendants will claim that oppression of homosexuals was "never a doctrine" and that "it's just what happened back in the days". Yeah - ignorance is bliss, isn't it. And it also helps to be a hypocrite...

No, it was not. 

The Church's teaching on sexual morality is definitely written in official Church doctrine and will not change.

[AFTT47]

Was Church Doctrine  in affect during the Inquisition?

That's what I'm trying to say. The inquisition, the burning of heretics, all that stuff were practices of the time, but they were not coming from doctrinal laws. Traditions and practices can and do change over time with the culture/etc. Dogmas do not.

Seriously?

If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Sound familiar?

[Catholic_Lady]

That's what I'm trying to say. The inquisition, the burning of heretics, all that stuff were practices of the time, but they were not coming from doctrinal laws. Traditions and practices can and do change over time with the culture/etc. Dogmas do not.

Seriously?

If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Sound familiar?

That line is not written anywhere in Catholic Doctrine, AFTT.

[AFTT47]

Seriously?

If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Sound familiar?

That line is not written anywhere in Catholic Doctrine, AFTT.

Really? It's John 15:6. The Bible isn't Catholic doctrine?

[Darkstar]

That line is not written anywhere in Catholic Doctrine, AFTT.

Really? It's John 15:6. The Bible isn't Catholic doctrine?

Apparently not.

I don't think that Catholic_Lady is cherry picking from Catholic doctrine. Rather, it appears that Catholic doctrine itself is doing the cherry picking. So does that mean that Catholics consider church doctrine more important than what is actually in the Bible?

I don't usually agree with Drich, but at least he's being consistent when he says that the Bible should override church doctrine.

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Of course, both doctrines are crap, but I doubt I should really need to explain my opinion on the matter to anyone who can read my religious views.

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[The Grand Nudger]

Yall are barking up the wrong tree, catholics can't even faithfully recount current catholic doctrine, probably because the catechism is fucking boring and more than just a little bit duplicitous.  Our favorite catholic here is no exception.