A question about hell

[ApeNotKillApe]

Yeah, but you have to remember that at least Vegeta gets his ass kicked after the 5-year-old has transformed into a giant monkey, not before.

[dyresand]

Yeah, but you have to remember that at least Vegeta gets his ass kicked after the 5-year-old has transformed into a giant monkey, not before.

 
Very true and during that time Goku was at his weakest now with the new ark he has the power of a god basically. 
Then Frieza he has something like super  sayian.

[Drich]

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But their is. What was given me is not meant just for me. If you or anyone else want what I have, then all one need to is seek god on his terms.

Again, the 'proof' God gives is not to force anyone who does not want to believe, but to assure the one who sought God as he was told. In essence my 'proof' was for me. If you want 'proof' He will taylor exactly what you need to establish and maintain a relationship with you. Knoweledge of god is apart of that, but it is not the end of it. It just depends on what you need. Doubting Thomas needed to stick His hands in the wounds of Christ and He got what he needed. I need understanding. I needed to know how things worked. that is what I got. God will give you exactly what you need if you will approach him as He instructs.

Ask god on his terms? Why? If he wants me to dedicate my life to him, it's got to be on my terms. He has to come to me, and convince me why I should follow him. Not send someone else. Not send vague signs. I can't approach him. He has to approach me.

And if He could go on living quite happily without you for eternity?
What if he doesn't need you, what if your not in the drivers seat here. What if the situation is that of rescue of those who only wish to be rescued?

Going back to my Syrian example, not all Syrians want to relocate/be rescued by the west. So then why would the western countries taking Syrian immigrants go into Syria and beg those who remained to come with them? Would western society collaps if those hardcore Syrians did not relocate? What if the western countries that ISIS was just days away Is the western countries obligated to relocate the general Syrian population anyway?
Hell, no!
My attitude is if they want to live and die by what's coming, then I say let them have their cake! I can't imagine God's attitude to those who want a puppet show from God/God bending over backwards for them Given what has already been done, to be much different.

the difference between me and them, is what I'm given to understand is all verifiable. that is all I do is verify what I've been given.

And yet a board of atheists remains unconvinced.

Again sport, would they/you if you experienced the same thing day in day out?
Are you intentionally missing the point or are you hiding from it?

So if the PotUS left an open invitation which you come to find out later by someone else like you that you qualify for a personal relationship with him, you'd stick by your "if someone wants a relationship with me.." guns?
I'm mean really? If someone like you said that hey look man you qualify to be "X" for the PotUS and all you have to do is qualify yourself by ABC, and you got full access to the PotUS You'd say the PotUS need come beg you?

I'm not even a Obama fan, but I think I would seriously consider the offer if it did not cost me anything.

The president can call me on the phone any time he wants, and we can meet at a nice restaurant and hang out. I'd even foot the bill. In your analogy the guy with the letter wouldn't even have proof that a POTUS existed outside of what he wrote in the name of the POTUS.

but again sport.. the 'proof' is not dependant on anything the guy telling the good news has. The proof is in following the directions the guy gives you. That is how all directions are vetted. It's in the following to see if they take you where they claim to go...
In this situation, their is no cost nor is their risk. All one must do in his own personal private life is simply humble themselves before God and A/S/K as outlined in Luke 11.
The only real risk is you find out that God is real and has been patiently waiting.

So.. If a single Immortal being took the lives of every single being in an entire species who will ever be, who otherwise would themselves be immortal, by burning them in Hell fire you do not feel that "an eye for an Eye" would be fair punishment?

Now lets tack on the rest of our story. Now lets say your in a position to resurrect 1/3 to 1/2 of those beings that your 'immortal' buddy killed via Hell fire. What would you do with the murderer then? do you let him loose to corrupt and kill those in whom you resurrected? or do you permanently separate them?

That wouldn't be an eye for an eye, unless he was roasting all those other people for eternity.

As tempting as an eye for an eye mentality is, that doesn't change the fact that roasting someone on a spit isn't constructive. You're not getting anything good out of it unless you enjoy seeing someone burn to death.

define constructive
I would say keeping a genocidal murder out of reach from those in whom he has a taste for is very constructive for those who other wise would be affected by this being.

So... Judge people on their actions and not their thoughts huh?

Syrian refugees.. you ready to have a few stay with you till we get this whole back ground check sorted out?

Before you answer like a leftist nut bag who does not understand the true nature of the question know this:

Sunni Muslims have a common world view. In that they have been tasked by their god to take it over. Now, they have one of three ways to do this. 1) to sit down and convert someone to islam
2) If a people in a region are docile/non confrontive they are to move into that area and simply out breed the residence, and with in a generation or two overthrow the host government.
3)Jihad.

Now, ISIS are Sunni Jihadists. (they are not extremists nor are they outside of the rules of their religion/That is why 'moderate muslims' do not openly condemn them) Your basic refugee is a Sunni 'breeder.' Male Sunni breeder... What happens to the 'breeder' mentality when these guys move to western countries and find out that girls from the home land are far and few between, western women will not convert to islam, wear those black circus tents, and serve and service their husbands like they did back home? What do you think will happen with the 'thoughts' of a man who's only hope of heaven requires Him to take over the world by either out breeding, converting 'atheists'/you guys, or killing infidels?

So again, if you think it is wrong to judge thought, are you read to move a few of those 18-35 Sunni syerians into your home till the rest of us figure out he is indeed a "breeder"/Jihadist Bomb waiting to go off, or if he is a full on jihadist pretending to be a breeder..

Or did you mean YOU shouldn't be judged by YOUR thoughts?

You talk about muslims being tasked with taking over the world as if that's not the same thing Yahweh tasks christians to do.

It is ABSOLUTLY NOT! We are to win people's souls, and work with in the frame of whatever government or existence they currently live. Islam demands they take over all world goverments and or kill all who get in the way/oppose them So that the whole world is ever facet of life worship their god in accordance with their holy book.

If Christian's were on the same 'mission' as muslims do you think gay marriage would even be a topic of conversation? Absolutly not! The have a death sentence for homosexuals no questions asked. But, rather in America where Christianity supposedly rules we have gay marriage the best any of us can do is work with in the frame work of government to over turn that decision. but if we can't then we are to not rebel against our goverments because they do not work by our bibles.

And christians have already corrupted this secular nation to the point that some believe it was founded on christian principles. So I'm not any more worried about muslims in my country than I am christians. It's not like we don't have right wing religious terrorist groups operating here already.

Whoopie Goldberg is that you? or has your insanity already infected the weak minded?
Show me Christian doctrine that demands attacks on people anywhere for any reason.
So if the bible does not authorize attacks in the name of Christ, then is it Christians in any way shape or form whoopee is really afraid of? (Let me put it another way just incase you are not whoopee.. (Meaning you are one of the weak minded) What if a serial killer started killing people in the 'name of President Obama.' Now mind you, that Obama speaks out against this psyco, and has absolutely nothing to do with Him, and even has put things in place to keep people from doing such things.. Yet here we have one or two isolated people who decide they want to attribute their evil to Obama.. Now does anyone really blame Obama? Does anyone have to fear Obama Himself?

Yet weak minded sheeple want to attribute the acts of crazy people to a doctrine that firmly stands against all the evil that has been done in its name.

I would be willing to have anyone in my house as long as they could prove they were trustworthy, and paid their rent up front.

Also see? I can do it too f you really want it that way.

Ah, no you can't.. (you failed hard)

[Nay_Sayer]

Traditional Christian doctrine on hell is that you suffer for eternity at the bottom of a lake of fire, but wouldn't after say a few hundred year, being the lake of fire would become like breathing air and walking outside to us?

The bible does not say we burn forever in a lake of fire. The bible says Hell is forever and Satan is the only one doomed to burn forever. "We"/Man who chooses Hell over eternal life. Are sent to Hell to be consumed by fire/destroyed by Hell fire. Or so said Christ.

How does one choose hell? Is it like choosing a car?

[Chad32]

Ah, no you can't.. (you failed hard)

Did I do it wrong? Oh no. Let me try again.

And if He could go on living quite happily without you for eternity?
What if he doesn't need you, what if your not in the drivers seat here. What if the situation is that of rescue of those who only wish to be rescued?

Going back to my Syrian example, not all Syrians want to relocate/be rescued by the west. So then why would the western countries taking Syrian immigrants go into Syria and beg those who remained to come with them? Would western society collaps if those hardcore Syrians did not relocate? What if the western countries that ISIS was just days away Is the western countries obligated to relocate the general Syrian population anyway?
Hell, no!
My attitude is if they want to live and die by what's coming, then I say let them have their cake! I can't imagine God's attitude to those who want a puppet show from God/God bending over backwards for them Given what has already been done, to be much different.

Then I'm fine with that. I don't need him to live happily, and he doesn't need me to live happily, so we can live our lives separately. Except according to the bible he seems to really want everyone to dedicate their lives to him, and if we don't he gets pissed off and wants to punish us. He's very self centered. Not that I've never been self centered, but I've also never killed someone for not doing what I told them to do. Despite the fact that I KNOW what's best for everyone. Because I'm me. If everything in the world went the way I wanted them to, it would be perfect.

Rescue from what? Hell? You have a guy that creates a system where you either do what he wants, or he'll make sure you have a bad time. And you're judged specifically on how much you worship him, instead of your actions. Hence people like Jeffrey Dahmer getting into heaven, and people like Gandhi going to hell. Down here we call that blackmail.

Are the westerners asking the Syrians to move also the ones threatening to kill them if they don't?

Again sport, would they/you if you experienced the same thing day in day out?

Are you intentionally missing the point or are you hiding from it?

I'm not purposefully avoiding some kind of evidence from god. I just don't know why an all knowing all present force needs workarounds to initiate a relationship with people. He wants something from me, and he's going to try to get it in the most complicate way possible.

but again sport.. the 'proof' is not dependant on anything the guy telling the good news has. The proof is in following the directions the guy gives you. That is how all directions are vetted. It's in the following to see if they take you where they claim to go...
In this situation, their is no cost nor is their risk. All one must do in his own personal private life is simply humble themselves before God and A/S/K as outlined in Luke 11.
The only real risk is you find out that God is real and has been patiently waiting.

The directions the guy gives, which is second hand knowledge at best, and can be read in enough different ways that different people can fervently believe it while also disagreeing with other people on what exactly it says. It's faulty. I was already humble as a child. I believed everythign I was told, and read through the bible a number of times. Nothing happened, so I left. When I want a relationship with someone, I seek them out. I don't write notes for other people to send. I don't wait and hope they notice me. I expect the same from everyone else.

define constructive

I would say keeping a genocidal murder out of reach from those in whom he has a taste for is very constructive for those who other wise would be affected by this being.

Constructive would be doing something that helps a community. Like if another species was created, the convict could build houses for them. Clean up the area. Do something but rot away in a cell while someone tortures them. Or being dropped into a hole full of lava.

It is ABSOLUTLY NOT! We are to win people's souls, and work with in the frame of whatever government or existence they currently live. Islam demands they take over all world goverments and or kill all who get in the way/oppose them So that the whole world is ever facet of life worship their god in accordance with their holy book.

If Christian's were on the same 'mission' as muslims do you think gay marriage would even be a topic of conversation? Absolutly not! The have a death sentence for homosexuals no questions asked. But, rather in America where Christianity supposedly rules we have gay marriage the best any of us can do is work with in the frame work of government to over turn that decision. but if we can't then we are to not rebel against our goverments because they do not work by our bibles.

Some people would disagree with that. some people would say if you're not willing to kill or die for god to destroy the godless than you're not a true christian. and they can find verses in the bible to back them up. They took control over europe at one time. They're trying to turn America into a theocracy. They are christian extremists, and they are willing to bomb buildings and pass laws according to the bible, and so forth. They used to kill homosexuals, and some still call for it. They're not as strong as they used to be, but that doesn't mean they didn't do those kinds of things when they were powerful. The Salem with trials is a good example. how many witches do you really think lived in Salem?

Christianity doesn't rule to the extent that they can do the kinds of things they used to do, and we're fighting to keep it that way. Yet we still have theocrats running for office that aren't being kicked out as soon as they say we should implement a flat tax just because the bible says so.

Whoopie Goldberg is that you? or has your insanity already infected the weak minded?
Show me Christian doctrine that demands attacks on people anywhere for any reason.
So if the bible does not authorize attacks in the name of Christ, then is it Christians in any way shape or form whoopee is really afraid of? (Let me put it another way just incase you are not whoopee.. (Meaning you are one of the weak minded) What if a serial killer started killing people in the 'name of President Obama.' Now mind you, that Obama speaks out against this psyco, and has absolutely nothing to do with Him, and even has put things in place to keep people from doing such things.. Yet here we have one or two isolated people who decide they want to attribute their evil to Obama.. Now does anyone really blame Obama? Does anyone have to fear Obama Himself?

Yet weak minded sheeple want to attribute the acts of crazy people to a doctrine that firmly stands against all the evil that has been done in its name.

You don't think there's any christian doctrine anywhere that encourages violence? Even if we leave out the old testament, and only use the last third of the book, you think there's absolutely no basis for things like the crudades, inquisition, and such? That despite the historical violence that christians have committed against themselves and theirs somehow they got their ideas without any scriptural basis for it? That's rather naive. Not that I can't relate. When I was a kid they just focused on the nice fluffy parts too. Jesus is your pal, and if you're a good boy you get to go to heaven and have all the cake you want. Yet when christians were at their greatest, there were wars and violence and genocides.

How weak does Jesus have to be to want people to be nice to each other, yet is helpless to stand by as people drag his teaching through the mud in his name?

[Wyrd of Gawd]

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Because Hitler accepted jesus that's why once you get "saved" all your  sins go away so there. 
Hitler along with terrible people who did terrible things that  accepted jesus get a free pass into heaven.

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again, says who. or are you speaking out of a general ignorance of History?

How could Hitler or any man who proclaimed to be God, be a follower of Jesus. If They claim to be God or have the authority of God to set up a church who's core principles allow you do commit evil, then you can not be a foolower of Christ.

 Hitler re-wrote Christianity to where he was the central figure. Doing so is not following Jesus or accepting Jesus. The only thing 'christian' about Hitler's "Reich Church" or positive Christianity was the church wanted people's devotion. But to Hitler rather than God.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_Christianity

According to the biblical fairy tale the God character appoints all earthly rulers.  It also says that people are to follow them without exception or whining because they are God's minions.

[Drich]

Post #26 dummy

I had already answered you in post 26.

I'm sorry for calling you a dummy. I'm not, exactly the model of Christianity that I'd like to be all the time. I'll honestly try and just answer your questions.

[Chad32]

I am curious if Drich ever read the story of Prometheus, and thought Prometheus was the bad guy. The story of Genesis is similar.

[Ravenshire]

I can not believe there are still people here willing to engage with Drippy.

[Chad32]

Well he hasn't gotten himself banned yet. that's better than some posters I've seen.