3 stages made me believe in Islam: 1-atheism

[mo3taz3nbar]

@paul and zen badger am not saying that the Quran is from god because it says so dont just repeat what you are saying to christian friends.am saying that the evidence is in the Quran if you are using logic and reasoning

[Ashendant]

Stop using the Quar'an as evidence that the Qur'an is true. It's retarded and I think I can say that we are all getting a bit sick of it. *exhales forcefully and stalks off*

ironically my character in fallout 3 used that argument to convince a computer to self destruct?

Player-"You can't be president. you're an abortion of science. you need to die..."
Computer-"Really... do go on"
P-"You aren't programmed for self-awareness you said so yourself"
C-"This is quite true. the process was certainly unintended, but shouldn't we all be thankful that i'm here now"
P-"But how do you know that what you're doing is right"
C-"Because unlike humans, i'am infallible"
P-"and how do you know you're infallible"
C-"...because i have been programmed to be, of course!"
P-"Thats circular logic. you know because you know, that makes no sense"
C-"Processing... internal logic error detected"
P-"i think you're delusional, i think the world would be better off without you"
C-"resetting primary memory circuits. please stand by. Perhaps... perhaps there is a problem. Iam... iam unsure how to proceed"
P-"I think it's time you put an end to this once and for all"
C-"Analizing command new course of dictacted. self destruct sequence initialized"

Ironically if i substitute player with atheist, computer with religious person, and computer terms with religious terms, it's exactly the same rebuttal that is used to show any theistic holy book as false, except that the computer accepted the logic and acts according to it, religious deny it, they should behave like the computer self-destruction and "it's time you put an end to this once for all, religion"

[mo3taz3nbar]

so you are saying allah is not a pagan god becouse quran said so.(isnt it familiar?)

yes if the Quran said that the people who worship pagans are going to hell so of course you cant claim that Allah was a pagan

well i think he is kinda ashamed of his former lifestyle thats why he didn't mention..

the Quran was revealed in a time where everyone was worshiping pagans.you need to do some searches as you are talking like the Quran was revealed a long time after pagan worship ended

there are several evidence that god was a pagan god and he has totems* like any other pagan god Then muslims destroyed all of that totems including el illah's(allah)

they was worshiping pagan and they destroyed what they was worshipping????

el illah's(allah)

lool thats 2 different words and as i mentioned before they believed in Allah(not as a pagan) and also different pagans that they thought is forgiving and giving them blessings and help

and Muhammed embraced the idea of god being everywhere(which is stolen from judaism).Muhammed denied all other gods except his own god. thats why pagans and muslims battled.And the battle wasnt about religions it was about power and control of arab lands..(its always power...)

stolen???? all the messengers sent was saying the same message which is to worship Allah(the creator) and no one except him even before pagans worshipers exist that prove that Allah was not a pagan(judeism was not existed in the sameplace) and also explain Muhammed's(pbuh) father name

couldnt find the right word but its some kind of a statue or totem called "put" that arabs were using them for praying. well i cant translate to english so im saying totem

lol i have no idea what you mean
dear annatar we can keep doing this forever so plz do some searches before posting something and get me the evidence from the Quran for what you claim as most of your claims is what some non muslims say to their children to keep them away from thinking about any other religions which is actually based on imagination and creativity
no offence my friend but i am just looking for exchange of knowledge and experiance not endless debates and i hope we can do that away of wierd claims that has no base and will not add anything to our knowledge regarding different beliefs

[annatar]

the Quran was revealed in a time where everyone was worshiping pagans.you need to do some searches as you are talking like the Quran was revealed a long time after pagan worship ended

no i didnt say that. you just dont want to understand do you? Muhammed simply said your gods are false mine is true. He is one true god and he created everything worship only to him bla bla bla...(is that clear?)
thats really funny are you certain you are reading my posts? I am talking based on historical evidences. And you are puting forward quran for your claims.You have to understand this, i dont believe in quran. It is a book full of crap. its not evidence. You dont want "exchange of knowledge" you just want to be confirmed.And to you anyone who dont confirm you is ignorant.
By the way allah=el illah its just one of his names(for he has many)if you dont know that then you are not much of a religious person..
still you are ignoring my question. Answer how Muhammed's father's name was Abdullah.(servant of allah)
Allah is just another pagan god face it..
and just an advise, please try not to use same circular logic again. becouse people dont like that and you might get banned..

[Dotard]

Owned.

Forgive the one word post. But it needed to be said.

[mo3taz3nbar]

I am talking based on historical evidences. And you are puting forward quran for your claims.You have to understand this, i dont believe in quran. It is a book full of crap. its not evidence. You dont want "exchange of knowledge" you just want to be confirmed.And to you anyone who dont confirm you is ignorant.

am not using any historical evidences as its authenticity cant be proved 100% even in confirming what am saying if there is a prove or disprove you will find it in the scripture of the religion

By the way allah=el illah its just one of his names(for he has many)if you dont know that then you are not much of a religious person..

that has nothing to do with religion these are arabic words which is my mother tongue

still you are ignoring my question. Answer how Muhammed's father's name was Abdullah.(servant of allah)

i answered this read my post

Allah is just another pagan god face it..
and just an advise, please try not to use same circular logic again. becouse people dont like that and you might get banned..

no circular logic here am not saying the Quran is from god because it says so am using the Quran as it is the book claiming to be a revelation from God so you must examine it to know the truth not to start seeing the historical things that i want to believe and take what i like and leave the rest

[annatar]

am not using any historical evidences as its authenticity cant be proved 100% even in confirming what am saying if there is a prove or disprove you will find it in the scripture of the religion

no you are using quran which is obviously false, period.

I am not arguing with you anymore until you learn how to answer. becouse you cant answer my questions and always using same logic "quran said so." im tired of it. you didnt answer any of my questions. if you want to answer properly do it. else i will simply ignore your silly arguments.

[Ashendant]

no circular logic here am not saying the Quran is from god because it says so am using the Quran as it is the book claiming to be a revelation from God so you must examine it to know the truth not to start seeing the historical things that i want to believe and take what i like and leave the rest

To know what truth that the Quran is truth, that is circular logic to

[Minimalist]

Muhammed simply said your gods are false mine is true.

One wonders, Annatar, if one of these phonies ever said " my god is bullshit, too." I think I could respect someone who admitted that.

Its the ones who insist that their invisible friends are real that piss me off!

[mo3taz3nbar]

I am not arguing with you anymore until you learn how to answer. becouse you cant answer my questions and always using same logic "quran said so." im tired of it. you didnt answer any of my questions. if you want to answer properly do it. else i will simply ignore your silly arguments.

my friend i answer you and you ask the questions again.when using the Quran its simply the evidence that this is what islam says and that am not telling lies or talking from my opinion(tell me how you want me to answer your questions if you have a better idea). you are free to open a thread about anything you want to discuss or any of your claims as long as it have a base or evidence so i can answer you clearly in more organised way