Attack at Planned Parenthood Clinic

[Catholic_Lady]

Thanks for the kudos CL - I mean, you and I disagree on this matter also and I know we have high respects for each other too

Absolutely.

[Edwardo Piet]

(I need to look up for the code for the hug emoticon, because I'm overusing the hearts simply because I don't know it ).

[Clueless Morgan]

You may have a point, Wyrd.

The Klown Kar has been noticeably silent until today.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/ted-cruz...-shooting/

Ted Cruz first GOP candidate to condemn Friday’s Planned Parenthood shooting

I'm sure that's only because a cop got killed.  If it was a doctor Cruz would be leading the cheers.

Interesting new video about that Josh Fearstain guy, and him inciting actual violence. It seems Josh has now removed the part Dusty is objecting to.

http://youtu.be/pFcLuIuQOJ4

Something to think about:

http://valerietarico.com/2015/11/28/chri...c-assault/
Christianist Republicans Systematically Incited Colorado Clinic Assault

After months of verbal assault against Planned Parenthood and against women more broadly, Republican Christianists have gotten what they were asking for—bloodshed.

On November 27, a mass shooting left three dead and nine wounded at a Planned Parenthood clinic just miles from the headquarters of the Religious Right flagship, Focus on the Family. Was the shooting exactly what conservative Christian presidential candidates and members of congress wanted? Maybe, maybe not. But it is what they asked for. Republican members of the Religious Right incited violence as predictably as if they had issued a call for Christian abortion foes to take up arms. Inciting violence this way is called stochastic terrorism:

“Stochastic terrorism is the use of mass communications to incite random actors to carry out violent or terrorist acts that are statistically predictable but individually unpredictable. In short, remote-control murder by lone wolf.”

In an incident of stochastic terrorism, the person who pulls the trigger gets the blame. He—I use the male pronoun deliberately because the triggerman is almost always male—may go to jail or even be killed during his act of violence. Meanwhile, the person or persons who have triggered the triggerman, in other words, the actual stochastic terrorists, often go free, protected by plausible deniability. The formula is perversely brilliant:

1. A public figure with access to the airwaves or pulpit demonizes a person or group of persons.
   
2. With repetition, the targeted person or group is gradually dehumanized, depicted as loathsome and dangerous—arousing a combustible combination of fear and moral disgust.
   
3. Violent images and metaphors, jokes about violence, analogies to past “purges” against reviled groups, use of righteous religious language—all of these typically stop just short of an explicit call to arms.
   
4. When violence erupts, the public figures who have incited the violence condemn it—claiming no one could possibly have foreseen the “tragedy.”
   

Stochastic terrorism is not a fringe concept. It is a terrorist modality that has been described at length by analysts. It produces terrorism patterns that should be known to any member of Congress or any presidential candidate who has ever thought deeply about national or domestic security issues, which one might hope, is all of them.

As for the subject at hand:


No one has the right to volunteer my body to keep someone else's alive.

[Whateverist]

Checkmate.

[CapnAwesome]

The point of being pro life is to believe that ALL life is sacred.

You're a nice lady, C/L but you are out of touch with the fanatics in the "pro-lfe" movement.

Pro-life, these people aren't pro-life, they're killing doctors, what kind of pro-life is that? What, they'll do everything they can do save a fetus, but if it grows up to be a doctor they just might have to kill it?

George Carlin

This is the first attack on an abortion clinic in how many years?

[Minimalist]

Just because FOX doesn't report it does not mean it doesn't happen, Capn.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/201...orism.html

NARAL Wants Attacks on Abortion Clinics Investigated as Domestic Terrorism

But not to worry...as long as you have republicunt shitheads like this motherfucker calling the shots you need not worry that fine xtians with guns will be called "terrorists."

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/anti-abo...terrorism/

Anti-abortion head of Homeland Security committee: Colorado shooting was not ‘domestic terrorism’

"Terrorists" can only be muslims, it seems.

[CapnAwesome]

Just because FOX doesn't report it does not mean it doesn't happen, Capn.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/201...orism.html

NARAL Wants Attacks on Abortion Clinics Investigated as Domestic Terrorism

But not to worry...as long as you have republicunt shitheads like this motherfucker calling the shots you need not worry that fine xtians with guns will be called "terrorists."

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/anti-abo...terrorism/

Anti-abortion head of Homeland Security committee: Colorado shooting was not ‘domestic terrorism’

"Terrorists" can only be muslims, it seems.

Okay, well I'll answer the question for you then. The last anti abortion murder happened in 2009, which happened at a church. The one before that was in 1998. This one was done by someone mentally ill with no history of being in the pro-life movement at all. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

I mean, sometimes facts are facts and not everything has to be political or blamed on people not involved at all. I'm not pro-life, but I am pro-reality and the reality is that this murder can't be laid at the feet of pro-life people no matter your political bent.

[Minimalist]

So, arson is what?  Okay in your book? 

What about "bombing?"  Do you like bombing, too?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/03...00449.html

On Sunday night, a bomb was placed on the windowsill of a Planned Parenthood clinic -- one of the three out of 27 Planned Parenthood clinics in Wisconsin that offer abortion services. The bomb went off and sparked a small fire at the clinic, which damaged one of the exam rooms. No one was hurt.

You have to dig around some to find out the extent of what is going on, sometimes.  I know it can be inconvenient...................

[Catholic_Lady]

I don't agree with the argument that a fetus has no right to be in his/her mom's womb. If he/she was conceived there, that is exactly where they are supposed to be. That is how nature was designed to work, that is how it was all intended to be.

I know I'm just reiterating what Tib already said, but talking like a baby has no business being in his/her mom's womb just sounds silly to me, so I figured I'd comment.

[Clueless Morgan]

I don't agree with the argument that a fetus has no right to be in his/her mom's womb. If he/she was conceived there, that is exactly where they are supposed to be. That is how nature was designed to work, that is how it was all intended to be.  

I know I'm just reiterating what Tib already said, but talking like a baby has no business being in his/her mom's womb just sounds silly to me, so I figured I'd comment.

I don't agree with the argument that a cancerous tumor has no right to be in a smoker's lung. If it grew there, that is exactly where it's supposed to be. That is how nature was designed to work, that is how it was all intended to be.

I know I'm just restating what Cathy already said, but talking like a cancerous tumor has no business being in a smoker's lungs just sounds silly to me, so I figured I'd comment.



(This is also known as the naturalistic fallacy, in case you didn't know.)