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RE: Is it logical to use logic in a illogical universe?
October 17, 2010 at 4:05 am
(June 22, 2010 at 7:49 am)British_Atheist Wrote: I am wondering if logic is a useful tool in deducting things in a universe which possibily is not logical. 
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RE: Is it logical to use logic in a illogical universe?
October 17, 2010 at 9:20 am
The statement, "the universe is illogical" has not been verified empirically. The day we find the universe is really doing some thinking, then we will be in a position to determine that. Until then, sweet dreams!
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RE: Is it logical to use logic in a illogical universe?
October 17, 2010 at 7:11 pm
(October 17, 2010 at 9:20 am)little_monkey Wrote: The statement, "the universe is illogical" has not been verified empirically. Nor could it be, since no fact or observation could ever be consistent with a violation of the laws of logic.
Quote:The day we find the universe is really doing some thinking
If something is no governed by the rules of reason, it is not an inferrence. The common statement about people thinking 'illogically' or being 'irrational' has no philosophical meaning.
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RE: Is it logical to use logic in a illogical universe?
November 5, 2010 at 12:10 am
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(October 17, 2010 at 4:05 am)ChromodynamicGirl Wrote: (June 22, 2010 at 7:49 am)British_Atheist Wrote: I am wondering if logic is a useful tool in deducting things in a universe which possibily is not logical.
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I can't remember which thread it was but we discussed the problems of an 'illogical' universe extensively there. was fun. We can't conceive a universe where logic cannot be applied but I think the fact that you can't come up with an example of a universe where you would not be able to make a logical deduction says something negative about the existence of 'illogical universes'. Can you come up with an example of a universe where logic is inapplicable?
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RE: Is it logical to use logic in a illogical universe?
June 19, 2011 at 8:22 am
(June 22, 2010 at 7:49 am)British_Atheist Wrote: I am wondering if logic is a useful tool in deducting things in a universe which possibily is not logical.
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I'm wondering if you mean you simply dislike the universe or can make no sense of it, or that logic only appears to work.
I am thinking here of The Captain Hook Affair by Humphrey Carpenter. Two children find themselves on a crooked world, where the inhabitants regard straight things as physically impossible. In attempting to demonstrate a straight line, one of them finds the physical limits of this world (the lumpy paper and crooked pencil) will not allow it. While straight exists conceptually, they were unable to demonstrate it.
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RE: Is it logical to use logic in a illogical universe?
June 19, 2011 at 8:33 am
Ahhh my brain hurts.
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RE: Is it logical to use logic in a illogical universe?
June 19, 2011 at 9:48 am
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(June 19, 2011 at 8:22 am)martin02 Wrote: I'm wondering if you mean you simply dislike the universe or can make no sense of it, or that logic only appears to work.
I don't think he'll be back to answer that.
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RE: Is it logical to use logic in a illogical universe?
June 19, 2011 at 10:04 am
I thought the whole point of logic was to make sense of the non-sensical? If the universe is illogical then surely you'd just be using different logic in order to make it logical?
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RE: Is it logical to use logic in a illogical universe?
June 19, 2011 at 10:19 am
Religion manages to violate logic constantly, but the logic of it is that it was created by people who fear death, which, after a fashion (as the unknown), is logical.
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RE: Is it logical to use logic in a illogical universe?
June 21, 2011 at 11:07 am
I'm interested by the suggestion the universe is not logical, implying logic is in some way deficient. Going to his URL I see it's meant more in the manner of whether God can make paradoxes.
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