Faith more important than Reality?

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Many claim to say that Faith is stronger than things in the Real World.

Suddenly, I thought " if ignorance is bliss, t'is folly to be wise". I don't know why.


Perhaps that's why I'm so relieved our new Prime Minister is smart, articulate, pragamtic, ruthless,devious and treacherous, rather than an ideologue.

Thought for the day "Old age and treachery always trumps youth and idealsim" (anon)

[fr0d0]

Earth calling fr0d0:

The bible is full of contradictions. Theres a nice list of them here.

You seriously think there's a single justifiable point there C?!? And there I was thinking you were quite rational.

It's like tennis isn't it!? Why must we always have to push to get to a rational position? Why can't tolerance be the default position? Without people acting like dipshits pushing their own warped ideas?

[Caecilian]

Earth calling fr0d0:

The bible is full of contradictions. Theres a nice list of them here.

You seriously think there's a single justifiable point there C?!? And there I was thinking you were quite rational.

It's like tennis isn't it!? Why must we always have to push to get to a rational position? Why can't tolerance be the default position? Without people acting like dipshits pushing their own warped ideas?

Well, I've always tried to be polite to you fr0d0. Not any more, I think.

Anyway, I selected one of the points from the list at random. Here it is:

ACT 1:18: "Now this man (Judas) purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out."

MAT 27:5-7: "And he (Judas) cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. And the chief priests...bought with them the potter's field."

In what sense isn't that a contradiction?

[fr0d0]

http://www.thercg.org/questions/p112.a.html

"Acts 1:18 describes what occurred after Judas hanged himself in Matthew 27:5"

http://www.jba.gr/Articles/nkjv_jbaother3.htm

"Acts 1:15-20 and Matthew 27:3-8 speak for two different pieces of land."

http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/143

"Once again, God’s Word can be seen to be internally consistent. Additionally, the explanations offered above form a pattern that can be used in answering such charges—i.e., whenever two seemingly contradictory accounts are under consideration, they could actually be complementary to one another."

[Edwardo Piet]

There are two versions of the fucking Genesis story on page (1 and page 3) for fuck's sake. Any contradiction is treated as metaphorical eh?

EvF

[Caecilian]

http://www.thercg.org/questions/p112.a.html

"Acts 1:18 describes what occurred after Judas hanged himself in Matthew 27:5"

http://www.jba.gr/Articles/nkjv_jbaother3.htm

"Acts 1:15-20 and Matthew 27:3-8 speak for two different pieces of land."

http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/143

"Once again, God’s Word can be seen to be internally consistent. Additionally, the explanations offered above form a pattern that can be used in answering such charges—i.e., whenever two seemingly contradictory accounts are under consideration, they could actually be complementary to one another."

Nah. Its contradictory alright. Some of the stuff that you've linked to is plain dumb, I'm afraid. For example, one of the authors claims that the two texts refer to different pieces of land. Judas is supposed to have bought land with his 30 pieces of silver...and then still had the 30 pieces to throw down in front of the priests. Obvious nonsense.

[fr0d0]

So, you have a slight problem with one and so can thus justifiably dismiss all reasoning. Neat.

There are two versions of the fucking Genesis story on page (1 and page 3) for fuck's sake. Any contradiction is treated as metaphorical eh?

Just apply a grain of intelligence Evie.

There are no actual proven contradictions. We can hold our different opinions but we should accept the facts of the matter.

[Cego_Colher]

For some faith simply overrides reality. No matter how many fossils are found, no matter what physical laws underpin reality, no matter what historical evidence you bring up, no matter the lack of evidence for their assertions, no matter the evidence that piles up against the effectiveness of prayer, faith will prevail despite all of that.

No, no, no, all that "evidence" was put there by the devil. (oh, wait that's still faith, isn't it? oh, well.)

So, you have a slight problem with one and so can thus justifiably dismiss all reasoning. Neat.

you said this? There are more contradictions. Do you want to explain them all? besides that, you don't explain the two creation stories problem.

ah, well.

[fr0d0]

I explained the specific example of a supposed 'contradiction' Cego_Colher only to have that explanation dismissed without reason. Why should I move on to explain any more?

I know there are lots of examples of this tosh that's refuted ad infinitum all over the web. do yourself a favour and go educate yourself.

[superstarr]

I explained the specific example of a supposed 'contradiction' Cego_Colher only to have that explanation dismissed without reason. Why should I move on to explain any more?

I know there are lots of examples of this tosh that's refuted ad infinitum all over the web. do yourself a favour and go educate yourself.

Chapter 1 Genesis, God creates the sky, Earth, light, water, Sun, the stars, animals, plants, humans.
Chapter 2 Genesis, God creates Earth, heavens, Adam, animals, plants, and Eve was made much later.

Judas' death?
"And he cast down the pieces of silver into the temple and departed, and went out and hanged himself." -Matthew 27:5
"Annd falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all of his bowels gushed out" -Act 1:18

There's two for ya. So, are you going to say that they are "out of context?"