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RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies
December 11, 2015 at 10:23 pm
I like Dr Fuzzy. She's supa nice. 
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies
December 11, 2015 at 10:42 pm
I agree.
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RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies
December 12, 2015 at 1:03 am
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RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies
December 12, 2015 at 2:40 am
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Loving and forgiving my enemies? Pshaw! I prefer to crush them! See them driven before me. And to hear the lamentations of their women.
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RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies
December 12, 2015 at 5:48 am
(December 12, 2015 at 2:40 am)KevinM1 Wrote: Loving and forgiving my enemies? Pshaw! I prefer to crush them! See them driven before me. And to hear the lamentations of their women.
Jaysus, those years in the slave pit made you kind of tense, huh?
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RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies
December 12, 2015 at 6:33 am
Forgiving, imo, is neither moral nor immoral perse. The morality of such an act depends on context. For example, if a mother forgives her husband for the abuse (let's say sexual abuse) inflicted regularly on their own daughter, forgiveness in this case would in my opinion be immoral if doing so hurts the daughter even more.
Also, one thing no one should ever do is to ask someone else that they forgive their enemies, abusers, or what have you.
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RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies
December 12, 2015 at 7:17 am
Quote:Also, one thing no one should ever do is to ask someone else that they forgive their enemies, abusers, or what have you.
Absofuckinglutely spot on. If someone wants to forgive the people who have wronged them go right ahead. But don't ask me to forgive the unrepentant shits in my life.
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RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies
December 12, 2015 at 7:31 am
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If I was starting an organization devoted to indoctrination, misinformation and exploitation of people, I'd sure as hell try to convince them, that forgiving those that f***ed them over (i.e. me) is the most awesome thing in the world.
Christian forgiveness I see mainly as a dishonest condescending platitude, used by people to self-aggrandize, by appearing noble and self-less, so that they can justify forgiving themselves for their own transgressions. They also involve god in this whole exchange, so as to appear less self-centered... It always helps to have an imaginary friend, ready to forgive us for anything*, just as long as we're "weally, weally sowwy"...
"And forgive us our trespasses,
As we forgive them that trespass against us" - Lord's Prayer
*except for denying the Holy Spirit and possibly few other things, depending on what's presently convenient for the Church, terms and conditions apply.
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RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies
December 12, 2015 at 8:21 am
(December 12, 2015 at 7:31 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote: If I was starting an organization devoted to indoctrination, misinformation and exploitation of people, I'd sure as hell try to convince them, that forgiving those that f***ed them over (i.e. me) is the most awesome thing in the world.
Christian forgiveness I see mainly as a dishonest condescending platitude, used by people to self-aggrandize, by appearing noble and self-less, so that they can justify forgiving themselves for their own transgressions. They also involve god in this whole exchange, so as to appear less self-centered... It always helps to have an imaginary friend, ready to forgive us for anything*, just as long as we're "weally, weally sowwy"...
"And forgive us our trespasses,
As we forgive them that trespass against us" - Lord's Prayer
*except for denying the Holy Spirit and possibly few other things, depending on what's presently convenient for the Church, terms and conditions apply.
Do you think the woman in this video is dishonest, self centered, and self serving, then?
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: Loving and forgiving your enemies
December 12, 2015 at 8:58 am
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(December 12, 2015 at 8:21 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Do you think the woman in this video is dishonest, self centered, and self serving, then?
I don't know how honest she was - I tend not to care enough to try and guess people's real intentions and motivations. She could be crazy, for all I know. But most likely - she just dealt with her grief however she saw fit.
I'm not worried about her motivations, though - I'm more concerned about motivations and honesty of people who use her story to propagate ideological dogma.
You have the right to forgive - or not - people who wronged you. Pushing indiscriminate forgiveness as a way to deal with grief and injustice on others - especially using promises of eternal life, divine justice and such - that's the part I'm objecting to. Teaching children to forgive everyone may be convenient, because it gets them to shut up about their stupid little problems already, but in the long run - it often culminates in psychological pressure on victims of serious crimes to stop "making a fuss".
And I'm not even going to talk about the fact, that any f*cker, that does some evil sh*t to me, or my family gets to go to a wooden box, where he gets "absolution" for his act against me, by a random guy in a dress...
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
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