Sad thought about Jesus.

[popsthebuilder]

orangebox21,

I specifically stated that Jesus which is not a man and hadn't been a man  for over two thousand years is equal to the holy spirit.

I will ask you to please ask question without assuming things or putting words in my mouth.

Why would you assume that I preach that Jesus was imperfect. On the contrary h was the only pure and without blimesh. Thought I wrote something along those lines but I have no problem with clarification.

Follow my logic? You mean follow scripture? The subject matter was the extent of punishment. The only ones who will not be allowed forgiveness are those that blaspheme the holy spirit. Ignorant nor innocent can do that. The elect or knowledgeable yet greedy can. All being judged isn't the same as all being punished. Not to mention salvation and direction under God is attainable to all. I can copy and paste more scripture, but to honest I have only read it for less than a year. It does state that all the existence will be wiped away and the word of God and his will is all that will remain. I can quote other scriptures from non cannon books and other faiths but for sme reason I don't think so hat will justify my stance to you personally. It's in the book of Enoch and the Quran and the Bible. You seem to be looking for a reason to divide yourself from what I say as opposed to uniting in Faith under God which we are told to do in scripture, so there you go. If you can overlook th e fact that I reference the Quran then maybe I'm wrong about you. Please do refrain from assumption as it is th errand of the proud and hawty which we as followers of Christ aren't to be.
Peace

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

How can Jesus be the holy spirit when he told his posse that he would send the holy spirit to them?

Thank you for verifying my point. Christ as man was the son of God. He was a man and pure yet subsidiary to the Father or One Creator GOD. Upon resurrection he is no longer man, but spirit. He is the holy spirit, the way, the guide, mercy and the judge among other things.


Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

[God of Mr. Hanky]

How can Jesus be the holy spirit when he told his posse that he would send the holy spirit to them?

Thank you for verifying my point. Christ as man was the son of God. He was a man and pure yet subsidiary to the Father or One Creator GOD. Upon resurrection he is no longer man, but spirit. He is the holy spirit, the way, the guide, mercy and the judge among other things.


Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

I don't suppose you would consider that there's an important reason for bizarre doctrines such as the three-in-one person god (Trinity). Such an idea, which you are exposed to at around the age of 6 can take you so far down the rabbit hole of nonsense that you will not be able to climb out of it, because after that's been injected into your trusting young mind there's nothing they can say which could possibly sound crazy!

[popsthebuilder]

Thank you for verifying my point. Christ as man was the son of God. He was a man and pure yet subsidiary to the Father or One Creator GOD. Upon resurrection he is no longer man, but spirit. He is the holy spirit, the way, the guide, mercy and the judge among other things.


Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

I don't suppose you would consider that there's an important reason for bizarre doctrines such as the three-in-one person god (Trinity). Such an idea, which you are exposed to at around the age of 6 can take you so far down the rabbit hole of nonsense that you will not be able to climb out of it, because after that's been injected into your trusting young mind there's nothing they can say which could possibly sound crazy!

I'm sorry, but what was the point of your post, I think I missed it. I'm not really in a haiti on to speak of the fa ity of those indoctrinated by man at an early age as it does not pertain to me or my particular case.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

[God of Mr. Hanky]

I don't suppose you would consider that there's an important reason for bizarre doctrines such as the three-in-one person god (Trinity). Such an idea, which you are exposed to at around the age of 6 can take you so far down the rabbit hole of nonsense that you will not be able to climb out of it, because after that's been injected into your trusting young mind there's nothing they can say which could possibly sound crazy!

I'm sorry, but what was the point of your post, I think I missed it. I'm not really in a haiti on to speak of the fa ity of those indoctrinated by man at an early age as it does not pertain to me or my particular case.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

What we learn as babes, we will always evaluate as babes do, until and if the day comes that we decide to be adult about it and evaluate said ideas according to the much higher standards by which we now, as adults, evaluate new ideas.

As it happens, I was not the child of an atheist community. As an adult, I became increasingly aware of how unsatisfactorily the theists attempted to answer life's questions, and the more I inquired the more their responses became evasive and defensive. A very large percentage of the atheists here have similar stories, and the converse of that (an atheist becoming a Christian) can only happen when said atheist really wants to be convinced, therefore stops evaluating ideas on fact, which is why such a conversion rarely ever happens. It would mean permitting religious ideology to trump his unfiltered thoughts regarding love, social justice, and the science which would save humanity from extinction if you death-cult-followers weren't just throwing in your own towels, you have to yank ours out of our hands too! People who understand anything about ethics and human empathy would never do that.

Since you've made it clear you don't want to be an adult about this, then it's Bye Bye, Baby!

[orangebox21]

orangebox21,

I specifically stated that Jesus which is not a man and hadn't been a man  for over two thousand years is equal to the holy spirit.

"Jesus as a man is the son of God. In spirit it is the Holy Spirit" (Post #91).

I will ask you to please ask question without assuming things or putting words in my mouth.

That's what you wrote.

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Why would you assume that I preach that Jesus was imperfect. On the contrary h was the only pure and without blimesh. Thought I wrote something along those lines but I have no problem with clarification.

I didn't say that you were preaching that Jesus was imperfect I wrote:

So you're teaching that Jesus is an imperfect sacrifice(#94)?

and I wrote that in response to post #91 when you wrote:

He is the propitiation to the Father and the payment for nearly all sin from any sinner.

In the above quote you are claiming that Christ's sacrifice is not sufficient for all sin, but nearly all.  Therefore an imperfect sacrifice.

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You seem to be looking for a reason to divide yourself from what I say as opposed to uniting in Faith under God which we are told to do in scripture, so there you go.

We are called to unite in in Christ.  But what Christ?  And what gospel?  We are called to unite in truth.  So far I am getting the impression that you are preaching a false Christ and a false gospel.  I'm giving you the opportunity to clarify your position because I hope that I'm misunderstanding you and that we can live in unity.  But if you are preaching another Christ or another gospel, then it is not my words but the Lord's when he says through Paul, let him [preaching another Christ or gospel] be anathema [separated from God] (Galatians 1:8).  How can what is separated from God be united with him?

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So please clarify "yes" or "no":
Is Jesus God?
Did Jesus come in the flesh (was He a man at the incarnation)?
Is Jesus still a man today?
Was Jesus resurrected from the dead?

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[popsthebuilder]

orangebox21,

I specifically stated that Jesus which is not a man and hadn't been a man  for over two thousand years is equal to the holy spirit.

"Jesus as a man is the son of God. In spirit it is the Holy Spirit" (Post #91).

I will ask you to please ask question without assuming things or putting words in my mouth.

That's what you wrote.

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Why would you assume that I preach that Jesus was imperfect. On the contrary h was the only pure and without blimesh. Thought I wrote something along those lines but I have no problem with clarification.

I didn't say that you were preaching that Jesus was imperfect I wrote:

So you're teaching that Jesus is an imperfect sacrifice(#94)?

and I wrote that in response to post #91 when you wrote:

He is the propitiation to the Father and the payment for nearly all sin from any sinner.

The only unforgiven sin is that of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, on other words intentionally misdirecting.

I wasn't saying that the Christ isn't sufficient payment for all past sin, but that there is one sin that will allow you to not even be judged by Christ, but condemned without hearing or regard. It is equivalent to the sins of the fallen angels.

I don't know exactly what else it is you are trying to say exactly. There is one Christ and one way. I think you were asking if I personally thought if Jesus of Christ was, while in the flesh, and man the absolute equivalent to GOD, as opposed to the son of GOD, and man wholly perfect in God's will.

I don't know why that is were one draws the line, as it is stated repeatedly the the way is Jesus the Christ. I don't deny that at all. Technically I cannot justify limiting the abilities of God. With that being said; Jesus of Nazareth could have been GOD incarnate. But based on scripture, namely the Bible, he was the son, the propitiation, the lamb without flaw or blemish, without sin,

You seem to be looking for a reason to divide yourself from what I say as opposed to uniting in Faith under God which we are told to do in scripture, so there you go.

We are called to unite in in Christ.  But what Christ?  And what gospel?  We are called to unite in truth.  So far I am getting the impression that you are preaching a false Christ and a false gospel.  I'm giving you the opportunity to clarify your position because I hope that I'm misunderstanding you and that we can live in unity.  But if you are preaching another Christ or another gospel, then it is not my words but the Lord's when he says through Paul, let him [preaching another Christ or gospel] be anathema [separated from God] (Galatians 1:8).  How can what is separated from God be united with him?

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So please clarify "yes" or "no":
Is Jesus God?
Did Jesus come in the flesh (was He a man at the incarnation)?
Is Jesus still a man today?
Was Jesus resurrected from the dead?

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Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

[God of Mr. Hanky]

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Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

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I simply cannot imagine anything worse than everyone joining together under a single belief banner - for example, it would be a certain disaster if everyone had an incorrect sort of reasoning by which they believed that a large quantity of manufactured pathogens, if dispersed over Manhattan, would infect no one. This is why living by scientific reasoning is much better. Get 100 scientific minds together on a problem-solving idea or a question to discuss, and at least 99 of them will walk away smarter than when they walked in. The other will have shared the best answer.

Faith in selfish Stupidity for Gaaaaaaaaa *choke*!!!

Fixed it for you.

[popsthebuilder]

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Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

I simply cannot imagine anything worse than everyone joining together under a single belief banner - for example, it would be a certain disaster if everyone had an incorrect sort of reasoning by which they believed that a large quantity of manufactured pathogens, if dispersed over Manhattan, would infect no one. This is why living by scientific reasoning is much better. Get 100 scientific minds together on a problem-solving idea or a question to discuss, and at least 99 of them will walk away smarter than when they walked in. The other will have shared the best answer.

Faith in selfish Stupidity for Gaaaaaaaaa *choke*!!!

Fixed it for you.
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Your maturity is showing. Already said I don't refute established scientific hypothesis. Personal attacks are futile and pointless.

Peace

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

How can Jesus be the holy spirit when he told his posse that he would send the holy spirit to them?

Thank you for verifying my point. Christ as man was the son of God. He was a man and pure yet subsidiary to the Father or One Creator GOD. Upon resurrection he is no longer man, but spirit. He is the holy spirit, the way, the guide, mercy and the judge among other things.


Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

Since it's all imaginary he can be whatever you want him to be.

[God of Mr. Hanky]

popsthebuilder

Your maturity is showing. Already said I don't refute established scientific hypothesis. Personal attacks are futile and pointless.

Peace

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

Whether or not you attempt to refute scientific hypothesis understanding is surely no indication that you understand it. As a layman, I didn't have to learn much before I saw how it separates fact from delusional fantasy.

What are you trying to do here, Pops? On an atheist forum, you haven't posited anything over the past week other than old theistic ideas, argued purely from authority, while twisting it up with your own very nebulous and rather strange ideas which even other resident theists such as Orangebox can't make any sense of. Have you gone off your meds?