Guys: Would you ever rape and murder a girl?

[CapnAwesome]

No...

[FatAndFaithless]

If you seriously have a question or problem with secular morality then just ask your question. You don't need to frame it in such horseshit as "my other atheist friends said they would rape someone and lol i can't say they're wrong".

What the fuck do you think we would answer to that question? I try to read people as charitably as I can, but fuck this shit pisses me off.

[Mark94xCPP]

Why does it piss you off? I'm not saying that just because I'm an atheist that I'm immoral. Most atheists are great people. So in regards to the question, you wouldn't. Why not? I don't have a response to how this is "wrong". I'm starting to think that it's not "wrong". I just want good answers fro atheists to how its wrong. Because deep down, I know it is. I guess I just need to convince myself that it is. I don't have a good reason to logically defend that position that it is wrong though. Please help me out. I need logical answers. One can say that I should take in account the feelings of the girl and her life. But there's no objective and logical reason I should even care about the girl in the first place. Does this simply make me a sociopath?

[Sappho]

Well, pretty simple: either because you don't like it, or you don't want to be punished. I see no other reasons. Do you?

[CapnAwesome]

Well,  pretty simple: either because you don't like it, or you don't want to be punished. I see no other reasons. Do you?

Maybe I was born with human empathy that causes me not to want to make other people suffer for no good reason.

[Mark94xCPP]

Well,  pretty simple: either because you don't like it, or you don't want to be punished. I see no other reasons. Do you?

I would not do it because I don't want to get caught and face the repercussions. I think most people don't do this because of compassion for the girl and not wanting to do harm. I just need an answer to convince myself that it is "wrong" to do it other than the though of going to prison.

[Simon Moon]

Why does it piss you off? I'm not saying that just because I'm an atheist that I'm immoral. Most atheists are great people. So in regards to the question, you wouldn't. Why not? I don't have a response to how this is "wrong". I'm starting to think that it's not "wrong". I just want good answers fro atheists to how its wrong. Because deep down, I know it is. I guess I just need to convince myself that it is. I don't have a good reason to logically defend that position that it is wrong though. Please help me out. I need logical answers. One can say that I should take in account the feelings of the girl and her life. But there's no objective and logical reason I should even care about the girl in the first place. Does this simply make me a sociopath?

All that it requires to understand that raping and murdering are wrong, is a bit of empathy, and the realization that you would not want to be raped or murdered.


If you don't have the empathy required, you may be a sociopath.

Google and watch the lecture "the superiority of secular morality" by Matt Dilahunty.

[Simon Moon]

Well,  pretty simple: either because you don't like it, or you don't want to be punished. I see no other reasons. Do you?

I would not do it because I don't want to get caught and face the repercussions. I think most people don't do this because of compassion for the girl and not wanting to do harm. I just need an answer to convince myself that it is "wrong" to do it other than the though of going to prison.

If the only thing that is stopping you from raping and murdering is the thought of prison, please go back to believing in your god. 

I'd rather have you believe in nonsense, than be a threat to society.

[Mark94xCPP]

Why does it piss you off? I'm not saying that just because I'm an atheist that I'm immoral. Most atheists are great people. So in regards to the question, you wouldn't. Why not? I don't have a response to how this is "wrong". I'm starting to think that it's not "wrong". I just want good answers fro atheists to how its wrong. Because deep down, I know it is. I guess I just need to convince myself that it is. I don't have a good reason to logically defend that position that it is wrong though. Please help me out. I need logical answers. One can say that I should take in account the feelings of the girl and her life. But there's no objective and logical reason I should even care about the girl in the first place. Does this simply make me a sociopath?

All that it requires to understand that raping and murdering are wrong, is a bit of empathy, and the realization that you would not want to be raped or murdered.


Google and watch the lecture "the superiority of secular morality" by Matt Dilahunty.

If you don't have the empathy required, you may be a sociopath.

But what  reason is there to have the empathy not  to rape and murder a girl?

[CapnAwesome]

Well,  pretty simple: either because you don't like it, or you don't want to be punished. I see no other reasons. Do you?

I would not do it because I don't want to get caught and face the repercussions. I think most people don't do this because of compassion for the girl and not wanting to do harm. I just need an answer to convince myself that it is "wrong" to do it other than the though of going to prison.

I'm going to take your question seriously, which is giving you a little more benefit of doubt then you probably deserve from the way you phrased your opening post.

What do you really get out of raping and murdering someone? A small and fleeting moment of joy or pleasure, and that's only if you are somebody who is pre-inclined to enjoy something like that. Compared to that you cause immense pain and suffering to the person who is raped and murdered, as well as immense pain and suffering to their loved ones. If you take it as a moral goal to cause the most joy, or the most happiness in the world, raping and murdering someone utterly tips the scale in favor of more suffering. In addition I believe there are long term negative effects on the rapist and murderer as well, such as the loss of humanity, or the loss of the ability to enjoy a regular sex life which means that even for that person it's an overall loss in pleasure for much of their remaining existence.

Compared to that if you are serious about having these inclinations, there are plenty of women in the BDSM community who would be happy to fufill a power play fantasy of yours.