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RE: Guys: Would you ever rape and murder a girl?
December 16, 2015 at 4:49 pm
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(December 16, 2015 at 4:34 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: [...]
I'm curious to know from a philosophical stand point.... if a person is a psychopath and does not have ability to feel empathy, and if this same person can only gain sexual gratification through rape and murder, what personal reason should he have for not going through with it? [...]
Let me answer with a question: if a person is a psychopath and does not have ability to feel empathy, and if this same person can only gain sexual gratification through rape and murder, what personal reason should they have for not believing, that god approves of their acts - just like many gods approved of many atrocities in the past?
After all - all they have to go by is what society tells them - be it a sincere promise, that if they rape and/or kill someone, they'll suffer dire consequences at the hands of the majority of society, who do feel empathy. Or the promise that if they try not to hurt anyone - they'll live forever in a happy place, where they'll be able to do anything they want... Which in their case is murder and rape... 
Look at ISIS - they do believe they're going to be raping virgins in heaven, if they murder innocent people on Earth. How do you imagine that's supposed to make them understand that murder and rape are unacceptable?
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RE: Guys: Would you ever rape and murder a girl?
December 16, 2015 at 4:53 pm
(December 16, 2015 at 4:49 pm)Homeless Nutter Wrote: (December 16, 2015 at 4:34 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: [...]
I'm curious to know from a philosophical stand point.... if a person is a psychopath and does not have ability to feel empathy, and if this same person can only gain sexual gratification through rape and murder, what personal reason should he have for not going through with it? [...]
Let me answer with a question: if a person is a psychopath and does not have ability to feel empathy, and if this same person can only gain sexual gratification through rape and murder, what personal reason should they have for not believing, that god approves of their acts - just like many gods approved of many atrocities in the past?
After all - all they have to go by is what society tells them - be it a sincere promise, that if they rape and/or kill someone, they'll suffer dire consequences at the hands of the majority of society, who do feel empathy. Or the promise that if they try not to hurt anyone - they'll live forever in a happy place, where they'll be able to do anything they want. Which in their case is murder and rape... :/
Look at ISIS - they do believe they're going to be raping virgins in heaven, if they murder innocent people on Earth. How do you imagine that's supposed to make them understand that murder and rape are unacceptable?
My answer is that human life is sacred and has objective value, regardless of whether a particular individual cares about that person or not. And raping and murdering women is objectively immoral, regardless of whether someone thinks it is or not.
So regardless of whether a person feels empathy or not, they still shouldn't rape/murder people because people have intrinsic value and doing so is objectively wrong.
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RE: Guys: Would you ever rape and murder a girl?
December 16, 2015 at 4:54 pm
(December 16, 2015 at 4:37 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Presumably it would be the norm for that person. That doesn't make it the norm for society, from which the person would be outcast. It's why we have therapists (and prisons for the extreme cases).
Thanks for the answer.
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RE: Guys: Would you ever rape and murder a girl?
December 16, 2015 at 4:55 pm
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RE: Guys: Would you ever rape and murder a girl?
December 16, 2015 at 5:06 pm
Trolls are fun.
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RE: Guys: Would you ever rape and murder a girl?
December 16, 2015 at 5:07 pm
Only when they go 'under the bridge'.
Eh? Eh?
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RE: Guys: Would you ever rape and murder a girl?
December 16, 2015 at 5:08 pm
(December 16, 2015 at 5:06 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Trolls are fun.
Really? Most of them are unimaginative and purposefully wasting everybody's time. I'd rather get to know the real person instead of some clown trying to start shit online. It's irritating at best, to me.
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RE: Guys: Would you ever rape and murder a girl?
December 16, 2015 at 5:11 pm
I have a weird sense of humor. Unless it's bullying, pranks are always funny to me... even if it's a lame internet troll. I must admit watching people take them seriously and get mad is kinda funny too lol.
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RE: Guys: Would you ever rape and murder a girl?
December 16, 2015 at 5:12 pm
(December 16, 2015 at 4:34 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Can I play devil's advocate here for a sec without getting my head chopped off? 
I'm curious to know from a philosophical stand point.... if a person is a psychopath and does not have ability to feel empathy, and if this same person can only gain sexual gratification through rape and murder, what personal reason should he have for not going through with it?
If there is no objective value for the life of a human being other than our own personal empathy, what does that mean for the person who does not feel empathy?
It means that he is not welcome in society that values empathy, and that he will be removed should he act out his impulses.
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RE: Guys: Would you ever rape and murder a girl?
December 16, 2015 at 5:15 pm
(December 16, 2015 at 4:53 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: [quote pid='1144415' dateline='1450298960']
So regardless of whether a person feels empathy or not, they still shouldn't rape/murder people because people have intrinsic value and doing so is objectively wrong.
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Gabble, gabble, GABBLE!!
Now that's objectively unintelligent!
My reason for not raping and murdering people is that it's socially wrong, and my conscience is tuned to prevent me from doing this.
Maybe if you stopped believing, you may find yourself actually fucking all of the trolls who you've been teasing on this forum?
Well, why wouldn't you do that?
Is it possible that you don't really have the desire to have sex with so many strangers who are particularly nasty?
Maybe then I would not have the desire to kill people, even if I could.
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