Guys: Would you ever rape and murder a girl?

[Catholic_Lady]

Hey, CL, I'm not judging - if you want to play butt-stuffing games with a guy who's into that and he gives his consent, then that's fine. Just make sure he's ok with that before you tie him down so that he can really enjoy being helpless in your hands, and make sure you communicate while having your fun so that you don't go too hard and hurt him. Some ladies like to do this with each other, or with men too.

There's really nothing wrong which anyone does in sex, so long as consent is mutual and risks are intelligently minimized.

Exactly, every type of sex is risky especially without a condom. But yea, if you have the consent and you know the risks then anything you don't like that others do is merely a matter of taste. The only two things that matter are consent and knowing the risks and how to minimize those risks.

You both (especially Brian) are acting as though I somehow downplayed or denied rape just because I was surprised to know men can get erections during it. Seriously, that's all it was - I was merely surprised to learn this could happen to men. I never said it isn't rape if he's aroused. I never said inserting objects into people's butts against their will isn't rape. 

I must say this is the most bizarre case of strawmanning I've ever seen not coming from a troll lol.

[God of Mr. Hanky]

Exactly, every type of sex is risky especially without a condom. But yea, if you have the consent and you know the risks then anything you don't like that others do is merely a matter of taste. The only two things that matter are consent and knowing the risks and how to minimize those risks.

You both (especially Brian) are acting as though I somehow downplayed or denied rape just because I was surprised to know men can get erections during it. Seriously, that's all it was - I was merely surprised to learn this could happen to men. I never said it isn't rape if he's aroused. I never said inserting objects into people's butts against their will isn't rape. 

I must say this is the most bizarre case of strawmanning I've ever seen not coming from a troll lol.

No, CL, I don't think you downplayed rape, I just thought you should know clearly that arousal is not consent, and how one should go about it if they ever decide to do anything kinky. You somehow impress me as one with the adventuresome spirit, who wouldn't be afraid of exploring that sort of fun stuff.

[Catholic_Lady]

You both (especially Brian) are acting as though I somehow downplayed or denied rape just because I was surprised to know men can get erections during it. Seriously, that's all it was - I was merely surprised to learn this could happen to men. I never said it isn't rape if he's aroused. I never said inserting objects into people's butts against their will isn't rape. 

I must say this is the most bizarre case of strawmanning I've ever seen not coming from a troll lol.

.....I just thought you should know clearly that arousal is not consent.....

LOL, I never said it was. That's why I keep saying you're strawmanning. Did you read the post you are responding to? And all the other posts I have been writing for the past 4 pages? 

 I never said it isn't rape if he's aroused.

 
I even bolded it in blue for you up top, for your convenience. 
And there's this too, which was a post I made to YOU specifically, just last night: 
 

I don't think it matters. Rape is rape, arousal or not. All I was saying was that I'm surprised to learn men can get aroused during rape. The strawmen are strong in this thread.

Soooo yeah, this is really bizarre lol. I don't understand why I'm accused of saying it's not rape if there's arousal.

[Brian37]

Exactly, every type of sex is risky especially without a condom. But yea, if you have the consent and you know the risks then anything you don't like that others do is merely a matter of taste. The only two things that matter are consent and knowing the risks and how to minimize those risks.

You both (especially Brian) are acting as though I somehow downplayed or denied rape just because I was surprised to know men can get erections during it. Seriously, that's all it was - I was merely surprised to learn this could happen to men. I never said it isn't rape if he's aroused. I never said inserting objects into people's butts against their will isn't rape. 

I must say this is the most bizarre case of strawmanning I've ever seen not coming from a troll lol.

No, not at all. We just don't think you or most laypeople understand the biological actions during an act of rape and molestation which is why you were "surprised" that it could happen to men. We just told you and now you know. So again, instead of fighting us trying to claim we put words in your head when all we did was state reality, accept it and learn. Nobody is accusing you of anything.

[Brian37]

You both (especially Brian) are acting as though I somehow downplayed or denied rape just because I was surprised to know men can get erections during it. Seriously, that's all it was - I was merely surprised to learn this could happen to men. I never said it isn't rape if he's aroused. I never said inserting objects into people's butts against their will isn't rape. 

I must say this is the most bizarre case of strawmanning I've ever seen not coming from a troll lol.

No, not at all. We just don't think you or most laypeople understand the biological actions during an act of rape and molestation which is why you were "surprised" that it could happen to men. We just told you and now you know. So again, instead of fighting us trying to claim we put words in your head when all we did was state reality, accept it and learn. Nobody is accusing you of anything.

No matter if it is rape to the point of penetration or molesting, woman to woman, man to woman, man to man, woman to kid or man to kid sexual assault is about power and control, and even the victim can orgasm or get aroused. Age and body parts and the sexuality of the perp is not the goal. Rape and molestation are about power.

[Catholic_Lady]

Brian, why are you telling me this?

[Catholic_Lady]

You both (especially Brian) are acting as though I somehow downplayed or denied rape just because I was surprised to know men can get erections during it. Seriously, that's all it was - I was merely surprised to learn this could happen to men. I never said it isn't rape if he's aroused. I never said inserting objects into people's butts against their will isn't rape. 

I must say this is the most bizarre case of strawmanning I've ever seen not coming from a troll lol.

No, not at all. We just don't think you or most laypeople understand the biological actions during an act of rape and molestation which is why you were "surprised" that it could happen to men. We just told you and now you know. So again, instead of fighting us trying to claim we put words in your head when all we did was state reality, accept it and learn. Nobody is accusing you of anything.

I don't think you understand. I was "surprised" men could get erections during rape to the point where they could be raped vaginally. 

My cousin, who is a guy, was raped by a male neighbor when he was 11. And I'm not a "moron" as you called it. I know what rape/molestation is and what it entails. I just didn't realize it was possible for men to get erections during it. 

I was just surprised arousal could happen. That's all I was surprised about lol.

EDIT TO ADD: I also don't get why being a lay person should have anything to do with whether or not a person understands what rape is.

[Brian37]

Even outside the issue of sexual assault physical abuse of adult men can happen and does happen too. I cant stand men who say "never hit a woman". Well yea, but never hit anyone for that matter, even at a bar over a football game. I was in a physically abusive relationship back in the late 80s early 90s. She would not only yell at me, but hit me if i talked to another woman, even if I wasn't interested in them, and I never was with anyone while I was dating her, but her constant paranoia and hitting I simply got to the point where I had enough. She hit me in the  face while I was driving because she thought I was flirting with another woman I slammed on my breaks and told her to get out.

Now if you can handle that, and accept that assault and arousal in rape have nothing to do gender roles.

[Catholic_Lady]

Even outside the issue of sexual assault physical abuse of adult men can happen and does happen too. I cant stand men who say "never hit a woman". Well yea, but never hit anyone for that matter, even at a bar over a football game. I was in a physically abusive relationship back in the late 80s early 90s. She would not only yell at me, but hit me if i talked to another woman, even if I wasn't interested in them, and I never was with anyone while I was dating her, but her constant paranoia and hitting I simply got to the point where I had enough. She hit me in the  face while I was driving because she thought I was flirting with another woman I slammed on my breaks and told her to get out.

Now if you can handle that, and accept that assault and arousal in rape have nothing to do gender roles.

Now you're talking about assault? You're all over the place, man. I'm not too familiar with you on these boards so I don't know if this is normal behavior for you or not. 

Anyway, I sent you a PM. 

ps- sorry about your abuse

[Losty]

Seems like you two are just arguing for the sake of argument when neither appears to actually disagree with the other...