For those who want proof of the exodus

[Drich]

No disrespect intended kevin but your trying to keep your thinking inside the box your morality currently resides. What I was trying to do is to place you in a similar position that most Christians find themselves in. In that pop culture changes the definition of morality based on a stronger allegiance to 'science' than to God, or even tradition.

what you did was simply try and return to what you know/think your morality is currently based on. The whole point of this discussion is to ask what would you do if 'science' is used to prove that your/this generation's current system of morality is wrong/viewed as primitive as dark age church values.. If this is the case then Do you agree with the new science and condemn the current morality that says you can not have sex with children? and do you follow the trend to up hold pedophiles as the homosexuals currently are, (as being unfairly oppressed by society) or do you say like stimbo says that 'morality' is an absolute and what is right today was right yesterday and will be right tomorrow?

Non sequitur
the word your looking for is pheromones. no training needed. They are 'hardwired' for sex if certain elements are present, it is not a matter of consent. As you pointed out consent is a higher brain function they do not possess.

Then consent is a non issue. If all a dog or donkey needs to want to engage in intercourse are the proper pheromones/triggers and higher brain function is not a consideration then all is needed is to supply the animal what he wants and the decision is made. no training needed. the animal will earnestly want to have sex.

If it's an action made due to instinct based purely on a chemical response, then no, it's not consent.  Consent means having a conscious understanding of what's going on, including the ramifications.  Which is why no one (except you, apparently) considers a physiological response to stimuli as granting consent.  Again, people who are raped have orgasms.  That doesn't mean that, deep down, they actually liked what happened.

Again the point I was making is that you got the info you just parroted back through extensive studies, and you do not even question it. Why? because the information came to you through the proper channels people with 'higher learning' have been trained to trust.

I was asking What if 100 different reports/papers reversed what you currently quote, opening the door to sex with children? Would that be considered moral today (as stimbo put it) , simply because it is found to be 'moral' tomorrow? (meaning we are currently, unjustly oppressing pedophiles now by putting them in prison to be treated more harshly and raped because we today believe this crime is beyond immoral? but again believe so in error because what could be found in further study?)

In short, what if it becomes a proven scientific fact that children, or lets say certain children can indeed make an informed decision on sex, if.. lets say some area of the brain goes active.. let us then say it can physically and psychologically be proven that in 'Some' 10 year olds brains, that they have reached some trivial percentage/capacity needed that has been judged for this future society to be enough to consent to sex..

Given stimbo's claim that their is nothing immoral about ANY consensual sex. (given consent and context) it would be wrong to say sex with children is immoral, because as with Homosexuality their maybe a gene found that puts their pedophilic desire out of their sexual control.

Verse my original claim that pop culture defines morality, and what is immoral today will not always be moral tomorrow, and vise versa. which means morality will eventually spiral down out of control and at some point will include sex with children if society simply wants it bad enough. Without an absolute standard to keep it anchored. Like the bible.

which is correct?

You do realize that consent is just one reason why we don't have sex with children, and that I'm not Stimbo, right?  I was addressing your objections to Stimbo's statements, not necessarily agreeing with them in totality.

That said, children, from a physiological standpoint, aren't built to have sex with adults.  The pieces don't fit properly, and long term/permanent harm can occur.  

didn't think that one through huh?
You didn't draw any parallels between my set up and argument about pedophiles and the current homosexual 'revolution?' What if a gay gene is found some day, should pedophiles be treated any different than those who are programmed to genetically desire to have sex with members of the same sex?

What do you base your answer on? what is moral today?? what studies say today? again what happens when those studies say something different? How is that any different than what a pedophile would say or do if that behavior became legal?

Pedophilia is different because of the harm involved, you dolt.  That's a far cry from homosexuality, which harms no one.

The rest of what you wrote, frankly, isn't worth the effort.

You did not answer the questions I presented. I took the time to go line by line answering your response. I pose a question of morality to you. If you want me to keep putting in the effort I have with you, you need to answer this question. or like with drysand and Minnie I will only look to read every 4th or 5th post of yours.

If you want to play with the heavy hitters then you need to swing like you mean it when you are at bat, and not just go though the motions.

[dyresand]

Oh go fuck yourself please you haven't produced any evidence the link didn't provide credible evidence. 
There is no credible evidence in history to support the claim of exodus.

One question: Have you watched the film from beginning to end?

I have and i even used sources to find out if the video claims are true or not and they weren't true at all.

[athrock]

I'm an anti-theist regardless of exodus being factual or fictional, my anti-theism is in no way associated with or connected to the truth of this...or any other narrative in your holy books.

I'm an anti-theist if god doesn't exist.
I'm an anti-theist if god does exist.
I'm an anti-theist if exodus didn't happen.
I'm an anti-theist is exodus did happen.

Understand?

Now that I've worked you up into an apologetic frenzy, would you like to reassert the claim you made earlier...that I have failed to substantiate my assessment of you?

So, you're a liar for atheism. And not just a liar and not just an atheist, but an anti-theist. Got it. Now we understand each other.

You made an interesting comment (highlighted above), and I'd like to explore this for a moment.

You say you're anti-theist REGARDLESS of the truth of the Exodus account. My understanding of this statement is that EVEN IF the Exodus account were proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to have actually occurred just as the Bible records it, you would still be against theism. IOW, the truth of the Bible would make no difference, you would still be opposed to any belief in God whatsoever.

Even if God does exist and you were certain of this beyond a shadow of a doubt, you would still be "anti" or against belief in him?

Do I understand you correctly?

And no, you have not substantiated your claim that I am a liar.

[The Grand Nudger]

-and there we have it.  You thought that convincing me the exodus was factual was the same as convincing me in your faith.  

You..have just substantiated my claim, yet again. It's almost as if I have my hand shoved up your ass, huh?

[Drich]

@Drich: Exactly how many supply chains have you exhaustively researched to determine unfair trade practices and exploitation of labor, how many products have you foresworn, and how many corporations have you consistently protested against and boycotted due to their supply agreements and labor practices?

Source material. All one need do is find out how and where ALL our raw material comes from.

Where does the lithium come from how is it refined
Lithium covers ALL portable electronic devices
Then Food see where our food comes from. We grow grains greens and fruit.. all of these have seasons. Look where it comes from when it is not in season.
Then do the same for meat, fish, poultry.
Next look at steel EVERYTHING has steel in it see where it is made.
Next textiles (cloth) dyes, Leathers etc..

All of our raw materials EVERYTHING is made from comes from slavery, and what's worse is because these companies are not well known like Nike they fly under the radar, which means a lot of times the work conditions in these third world countries are miles worse than what slaves in America had to endure, because the refining processes are far more hazardous with all the chemicals and processes.

If the raw materials have slave sweat in them then everything else assembled here or not are due to the work of slaves. however 99% of the time slaves are also doing the final assembly as well (of the individual components)

[Drich]

If you bothered to watch the movie, idk maybe to speak accurately rather than just randomly, you'd note that they had a rabbi quoting book chapter and verse and they pairing that with the Egyptian records or archeological finds.

I tried, before this thread ever popped up.  It's been a slow few months on netflix.  Bored me to sleep.  I had to go read their executive summary.  Even had I not watched or read it, we've discussed it...... for 60 pages.  

Sorry Drich, it just doesn't hold water.

what specifically?

[Drich]

IDK lost we are coming up on 60 pages of hot button dialog..

Yea because you talking of how much you love slavery is so fresh and new and entertaining. Certainly not the same tired shit we've all heard before.

appearently some haven't. And as slavery is a key part of the exodus I feel it a topical subject.

[Drich]

Yes for the 10th time yes!!!

Look the word up!
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/def...lish/slave

Being paid can happen and one still be considered a slave. For instance .35 cents per hour is not proper 'remuneration' for the worked demanded. Also people sign quartly or even yearly contracts that demand x amount of hours worked per week or quotas being met before they are released.

Do some RESEARCH before you speak

Okay, so where's their health insurance?  Their sick days or vacation days?  Their rights as an employee for breaks, and to only work so many hours a day/week?  Their right to a safe job site?  Their general right as a person to not be assaulted?

Attempting to paint slavery as employment with really low wages is idiotic and despicable.  Employment, real employment provides the worker with a lot of things outside of just monetary compensation, including basic human rights assurances.

You don't understand still...

To sign a contract with a company/sweat shop is to be in bondage/debt no different than how the Jews would sell themselves into slavery!!!

You only address one part of my argument you need to address both elements to have an honest conversation, or is that NOT your goal here?

[Losty]

Yea because you talking of how much you love slavery is so fresh and new and entertaining. Certainly not the same tired shit we've all heard before.

appearently some haven't. And as slavery is a key part of the exodus I feel it a topical subject.

And I feel you have grown quite boring in your old age. It's like you don't even enjoy jerking off all over the forum anymore, like it's just a chore for you.

[Drich]

appearently some haven't. And as slavery is a key part of the exodus I feel it a topical subject.

And I feel you have grown quite boring in your old age. It's like you don't even enjoy jerking off all over the forum anymore, like it's just a chore for you.

Well, their a new rule that says one can be bann for that very thing even if no rules were ever broken.. If 'the man' catch me having too much fun they might just do that.