For those who want proof of the exodus

[Cyberman]

"Watch the video - the dance begins again."

Okay, that last part is just my little flourish. Flavouring, if you will.

[Nay_Sayer]

It's nice that you don't.  May FSM's mighty noodles give you the strength to see the light.

Manfred Bietak
Egytologist, University of Vienna
Bietak was the Director of the Austrian Archaeological Institute in Cairo, Egypt for 35 years. Considered one of the greatest archaeologists alive today, he is best known for directing the Austrian excavations at the Nile delta site of Tell el-Daba, which has been ongoing for 40 years. This site was the ancient Hyksos capital known as Avaris, as well as the southern sector of Rameses, a city that the Bible mentions as being built by the Israelites in the book of Exodus.
Taken from: http://patternsofevidence.com/cast/

Just assuming it was not an scientific endeavor shows you really didn't have an open mind sport. Maybe rather than trying to work in FSM into a retort, you should ask some questions.

Fair enough, Where you 5 or 6 when you we're dropped on your head?
RAmen.   He cannot be worked into things for FSM is all things.

[Minimalist]

There was no "joseph" you dumb fuck.

When you stop trying to shoehorn this biblical crap into the record it all works quite nicely....even if it does nothing to help out dumb motherfuckers like you.

Do you have 'proof'?

You wouldn't read it but it is out there.  Finkelstein, Dever, Redford, and those are just some of the ones who have written for non-academic readers.  Your problem, shithead, is that you only read a book that starts "In The Beginning..." so you'll never learn anything.  And you like it that way.


Idiots usually do.

http://www.yorku.ca/dcarveth/false_testament

Once again the theory didn't add up. The Book of Numbers states that, following their escape, the Israelites came under attack from the "Canaanite king of Arad , who lived in the Negev ," as they were "coming along the road to Atharim." But although excavations showed that a city of Arad existed in the early Bronze Age from roughly 3500 to 2200 B.C., and that an Iron Age fort arose on the site beginning in roughly 1150 B.C., it was deserted during the years in between. The Pentateuch says the Hebrews did battle with Sihon, king of the Amorites, at a city called Heshbon, but excavations have revealed that Heshbon did not exist during this period either. Nor did Edom , against whose king the Old Testament says the ancient Jews also made war.
Then came a series of archaeological studies conducted in the aftermath of the Six-Day War in 1967. Previously archaeologists had intensively studied specific sites and locales, digging deep in order to determine how technology and culture had changed from one century to the next. Now they tramped through hills and valleys looking for pottery shards and remnants of ancient walls in order to map out how settlement patterns had ebbed and flowed across broad stretches of terrain. Whereas previously archaeologists had concentrated on the lowland cities where the great battles mentioned in the Bible were said to have taken place, they now shifted their attention to the highlands located in the present West Bank . The results were little short of revolutionary. Rather than revealing that Canaan was entered from the outside, analysis of ancient settlement patterns indicated that a distinctive Israelite culture arose locally around 1200 B.C. as nomadic shepherds and goatherds ceased their wanderings and began settling down in the nearby uplands. Instead of an alien culture, the Israelites were indigenous. Indeed, they were highly similar to other cultures that were emerging in the region around the same time--except for one thing: whereas archaeologists found pig bones in other sites, they found none among the Israelites. A prohibition on eating pork may have been one of the earliest ways in which the Israelites distinguished themselves from their neighbors.
Thus there was no migration from Mesopotamia , no sojourn in Egypt , and no exodus. There was no conquest upon the Israelites' return and, for that matter, no peaceful infiltration such as the one advanced by Yohanan Aharoni. Rather than conquerors, the Hebrews were a native people who had never left in the first place.

But seriously dripshit, you are incapable of understanding things like this.  You stick to your stupid fucking bible and leave the heavy thinking to others.  You WANT fairy tales to be true....just understand that you will be shit on each and every time you spout fairy tales instead of reality.

[GrandizerII]

Wow... his investigations sound very scientific.

It's good that you have such an open mind

I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic ...

But then again, probably you as well

[Minimalist]

Stiebing nailed Drippy to a tee.

William H. Stiebing Jr. argued that despite their many differences, there were a set of core characteristics that almost all pseudoarchaeological interpretations shared. He believed that because of this, pseudoarchaeology could be categorised as a "single phenomenon." He went on to identify three core commonalities of pseudeoarchaeological theories: 1) the unscientific nature of its method and evidence, 2) its tendency to "provide simple, compact answers to complex, difficult issues," and 3) its tendency to present itself as being persecuted by the archaeological establishment, accompanied by an ambivalent attitude towards the scientific ethos of the Enlightenment.[15] This idea that there are core characteristics of pseudoarchaeologies is shared by other academics.[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoarchaeology#cite_note-16][/url]

[Drich]

Do you have 'proof'?

You wouldn't read it but it is out there.  Finkelstein, Dever, Redford, and those are just some of the ones who have written for non-academic readers.  Your problem, shithead, is that you only read a book that starts "In The Beginning..." so you'll never learn anything.  And you like it that way.


Idiots usually do.

http://www.yorku.ca/dcarveth/false_testament

Once again the theory didn't add up. The Book of Numbers states that, following their escape, the Israelites came under attack from the "Canaanite king of Arad , who lived in the Negev ," as they were "coming along the road to Atharim." But although excavations showed that a city of Arad existed in the early Bronze Age from roughly 3500 to 2200 B.C., and that an Iron Age fort arose on the site beginning in roughly 1150 B.C., it was deserted during the years in between. The Pentateuch says the Hebrews did battle with Sihon, king of the Amorites, at a city called Heshbon, but excavations have revealed that Heshbon did not exist during this period either. Nor did Edom , against whose king the Old Testament says the ancient Jews also made war.
Then came a series of archaeological studies conducted in the aftermath of the Six-Day War in 1967. Previously archaeologists had intensively studied specific sites and locales, digging deep in order to determine how technology and culture had changed from one century to the next. Now they tramped through hills and valleys looking for pottery shards and remnants of ancient walls in order to map out how settlement patterns had ebbed and flowed across broad stretches of terrain. Whereas previously archaeologists had concentrated on the lowland cities where the great battles mentioned in the Bible were said to have taken place, they now shifted their attention to the highlands located in the present West Bank . The results were little short of revolutionary. Rather than revealing that Canaan was entered from the outside, analysis of ancient settlement patterns indicated that a distinctive Israelite culture arose locally around 1200 B.C. as nomadic shepherds and goatherds ceased their wanderings and began settling down in the nearby uplands. Instead of an alien culture, the Israelites were indigenous. Indeed, they were highly similar to other cultures that were emerging in the region around the same time--except for one thing: whereas archaeologists found pig bones in other sites, they found none among the Israelites. A prohibition on eating pork may have been one of the earliest ways in which the Israelites distinguished themselves from their neighbors.
Thus there was no migration from Mesopotamia , no sojourn in Egypt , and no exodus. There was no conquest upon the Israelites' return and, for that matter, no peaceful infiltration such as the one advanced by Yohanan Aharoni. Rather than conquerors, the Hebrews were a native people who had never left in the first place.

But seriously dripshit, you are incapable of understanding things like this.  You stick to your stupid fucking bible and leave the heavy thinking to others.  You WANT fairy tales to be true....just understand that you will be shit on each and every time you spout fairy tales instead of reality.

Minnie seriously... Where do you find the douche bags you quote? Is their a list of nut bags or a web site of insane extreme leftists that you subscribe to? Your author Daniel Lazare also authored a book "The Frozen Republic: How the Constitution Is Paralyzing Democracy"

In short this lunatic blames everything he doesn't like about America on the fact that we have a guide line that expressly prevents the type of tyranny his is upset we don't have!
https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-revie...-republic/
So then how can one takes anything this guy says with out any supporting documentation to back anything up? He is just puking up what ever propaganda he creates to support his world view.

Look, if you want to discuss the topic, then select a subject brought up by the movie you supposedly watched, and then try and use primary or secondary source material to support your own thoughts. If you insist on just parroting back what ever rantings your lunatic of the week provides, I have nothing else to say.

[Drich]

... I must have missed how you refuted the literal Egyptian records, archeological digs and the other vetted materials this movie uses and compiles to establish it's claims. Can you please point me to the page and post number where you have actually done your research to show the monuments, papyrus, and the archeological finds this movie uses are not valid.

Simple. A documentary made by a quack does not qualify as evidence of anything, which is why this work is in a movie and not a peer-reviewed publication.


Done. See? That was easy.

The problem stinky/pinky? The "Quack" he pretty smart, in that the film is not just his thoughts or the thoughts of 'experts'.. No this is not an al gore or Michael moore film. This guy actually quotes and reads from period correct Egyptian papyrus, that Identify Slaves/Jewish Slaves, And the Egyptian written record of the plagues, As well as from Momuments that Identify Israel/the Jews as slaves in Egypt. Then their is the archeological record that places 'Semites' in the land of Goshen right where the bible says Joseph and his family settled. Plus in the sand they find 25 to 30 other villages/towns that would support a slave population for the exodus.. Then they found Joseph's house. And his tomb, and a statue of a high ranking non Egyptian holding jewish tools and wearing a coat of many colors. next to that 12 semetic tombs/grave sites (one for each one of his brothers.)

There are quite a few more discoveries all well with in the written and archaeological (known/accepted) record.

[Drich]

Do you have 'proof'?

Do you have proof that joseph existed outside the bible?

Watch the Movie sport!

They Found His tomb/Mini pyramid, and inside a statue of Him holding Jewish tools wear a shepards coat of many colors.

[Minimalist]

Minnie seriously... Where do you find the douche bags you quote?

Oh, you poor little thing, dripshit.  Why do you think that only people who agree with you are right?  Are you that incapable of thinking for yourself and evaluating evidence?  Apparently you are.

In any case, when a writer recaps the work of experts and those experts tell you that your fucking bible is a pile of happy horseshit you start squirming like a worm on a hook looking for ways to get out of the dilemma you face.

YOUR BIBLE IS A PILE OF SHIT, Drippy.  You can whine about it until your asshole closes up but it won't change the fact that you are an infantile fool who clings to fairy tales.  You know, Santa Claus isn't real, either.

[Crossless2.0]

Of course, Drich needs to shit on Lazare. No shell game works unless there is a distraction in play. By attacking one dilettante (while extolling another), he hopes that no one will notice that he hasn't (and never will) come to grips with the works of Finkelstein, Dever, etc.