My Rebuttal to Dawkins Argument

[Fidel_Castronaut]

If God is the only thing that doesn't need a creator, then still wherever God came from would need a creator.  Even if God just POPPED into existence, he'd have to pop somewhere.  What created that somewhere?

Well, again.. our minds cannot handle this, because it is too complicated, because we can not observe it. Just like how we cannot imagine the 4th dimension, there are of course more dimensions, that we are not aware of.

How do you know any of what youve stated above?

[robvalue]

This "argument" could be used for anything. Do you see Monkey Ninja Robot Starfish-Guardians anywhere? No? Well they must be outside of time and space.

Or more reasonably, one should suspend belief that such a thing exists at all until there is some evidence that it does. You can't just claim to know stuff that science is too dumb to know yet.

[Mohammed - Muslim and Proud]

This "argument" could be used for anything. Do you see Monkey Ninja Robot Starfish-Guardians anywhere? No? Well they must be outside of time and space.

Or more reasonably, one should suspend belief that such a thing exists at all until there is some evidence that it does. You can't just claim to know stuff that science is too dumb to know yet.

Well because we can observe monkeys, ninjas, robots, starfish and etc in the real word, therefore we cannot say that they are outside time and space.

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How do I know that there is a God? because of the scientific miracles that have been stated in the Holy Quran 1400 years ago... Evolution, Big Bang, Expanding Universe, Formation of the Fetus, Water Cycle and etc. There have been books and letters that have been written about these miracles to the Prophet (PBUH) saying that what is in the Quran aren't true, but now 1400 years later, we know that they are true.

[Jehanne]

Hello, 

Greetings to you brothers and sisters in humanity,

I would like to refute Richard Dawkins argument " If God created man, then who created God? "

The answer to this question is very simple, and I would like to discuss it in detail:

1. The Creator is called The Creator, so how can the Creator have a creator if he is The Creator?

2. The question can be turned around, which will allow me to ask: " If the universe created man, then who created the universe? "

3. Only do things in our galaxy and universe and space-time, require a creator. God is obviously out of space and time, and the galaxy and universe, in another dimension, in which we do not understand.

4. This is like saying that an explanation requires an explanation, which would lose you in an infinite regress, which is clearly contradictory to the bases and fundamentals of science.

5. Antony Flew in his book states:

Now, clearly theists and atheist can agree on one thing: if anything at all exists, there must be something preceding it that always existed. How did this eternally existing reality come to be? The answer is that it never came to be. It always existed. Take your pick: God or universe. Something always existed

The concept of God is self-contradictory ("if God is omniscient, does he/she/it have free will?"), but more importantly, the concept of God contradicts everything in our human experience; without exception, everything that we observe comes from that which is simpler.  God is not simple, in the sense that God is more complex than Us, his creation.  So, why believe in something for which there is no evidence, which is self-contradictory and which contradicts everything which we do observe?

"Take your pick: God or universe. Something always existed" -- the Universe, because it is simpler!

[Whateverist]

Now, clearly theists and atheist can agree on one thing: if anything at all exists, there must be something preceding it that always existed. How did this eternally existing reality come to be? The answer is that it never came to be. It always existed. Take your pick: God or universe. Something always existed

I'll take universe for 500.

[Whateverist]

Now I've got one for you: Which came first, the monkeys flying out of my ass or my ass itself? If you answer my ass, why do we still see monkeys walking about? You can't win.

[Mohammed - Muslim and Proud]

Hello, 

Greetings to you brothers and sisters in humanity,

I would like to refute Richard Dawkins argument " If God created man, then who created God? "

The answer to this question is very simple, and I would like to discuss it in detail:

1. The Creator is called The Creator, so how can the Creator have a creator if he is The Creator?

2. The question can be turned around, which will allow me to ask: " If the universe created man, then who created the universe? "

3. Only do things in our galaxy and universe and space-time, require a creator. God is obviously out of space and time, and the galaxy and universe, in another dimension, in which we do not understand.

4. This is like saying that an explanation requires an explanation, which would lose you in an infinite regress, which is clearly contradictory to the bases and fundamentals of science.

5. Antony Flew in his book states:

Now, clearly theists and atheist can agree on one thing: if anything at all exists, there must be something preceding it that always existed. How did this eternally existing reality come to be? The answer is that it never came to be. It always existed. Take your pick: God or universe. Something always existed

The concept of God is self-contradictory ("if God is omniscient, does he/she/it have free will?"), but more importantly, the concept of God contradicts everything in our human experience; without exception, everything that we observe comes from that which is simpler.  God is not simple, in the sense that God is more complex than Us, his creation.  So, why believe in something for which there is no evidence, which is self-contradictory and which contradicts everything which we do observe?

"Take your pick: God or universe. Something always existed" -- the Universe, because it is simpler!

Well the universe is complex because we as humans cannot make a similar universe. Many things are not understood in the universe, not a lot has been found also. So how can you say that they aren't complex? To us as humans that have evolved, it is of course complex.

[Whateverist]

Well, again.. our minds cannot handle this, because it is too complicated, because we can not observe it. Just like how we cannot imagine the 4th dimension, there are of course more dimensions, that we are not aware of.

How do you know any of what youve  stated above?

I think his logic depends on his opponent being reasonable enough to realize they really don't know what the fuck he is talking about.  Once they've left the field of discourse he can declare victory and take a victory strut around the board shitting where he likes.

[Mohammed - Muslim and Proud]

How do you know any of what youve  stated above?

I think his logic depends on his opponent being reasonable enough to realize they really don't know what the fuck he is talking about.  Once they've left the field of discourse he can declare victory and take a victory strut around the board shitting where he likes.

How did you conclude this?

[robvalue]

So this was fun.

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