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Intelligent Design
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RE: Intelligent Design
December 25, 2015 at 10:24 am
(December 25, 2015 at 6:56 am)pool Wrote:
(December 25, 2015 at 2:36 am)robvalue Wrote: I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying I don't feel your conclusion is supported. I appreciate the open mindedness. I don't claim to have any answers at all.

It seems to me that you're using a tautology. If some kind of reality exists and functions, then you would say it is designed. So it seems impossible, with this definition, that a reality could exist and function without being designed.

The obvious counter-example explanation is that things are just the way they are, and our inquisitive minds are over-complicating things by assigning agency everywhere when unwarranted. I'm not saying this is the case, but I'm saying it's not easily discounted. We can ask "why" until we're blue in the face, but if no answer will ever satisfy us except some sort of process or agency, then we are begging the question.

I agree.
To me the explanation that things are just the way they are; we needn't worry more about it; seems a bit, I don't know, theistic. Like when you ask a theist why they believe in God and they go - "It's just the way it is.". 
I know most atheists do not think in this pattern, especially you Rob.

I also don't feel my conclusion isn't unsupported at all. The world we live in supports my conclusion iff we consider any system with rules imposed on it as designed. Since everyone seems to agree with that, I think my conclusion is supported, after all this is not just a random thought, I came across this thought as I was analyzing certain facts, definitions and generally through basic observation.
We live in a designed world. It's a fact. Was it intelligent design or was it a design that came into being as a result of random events or whatever is what I know that I do not know.
So your saying everything is designed? Nothing is naturally occurring?
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RE: Intelligent Design
December 25, 2015 at 10:38 am
Now that sounds theistic.
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RE: Intelligent Design
December 25, 2015 at 11:34 am
(December 25, 2015 at 10:24 am)Mr.wizard Wrote:
(December 25, 2015 at 6:56 am)pool Wrote: I agree.
To me the explanation that things are just the way they are; we needn't worry more about it; seems a bit, I don't know, theistic. Like when you ask a theist why they believe in God and they go - "It's just the way it is.". 
I know most atheists do not think in this pattern, especially you Rob.

I also don't feel my conclusion isn't unsupported at all. The world we live in supports my conclusion iff we consider any system with rules imposed on it as designed. Since everyone seems to agree with that, I think my conclusion is supported, after all this is not just a random thought, I came across this thought as I was analyzing certain facts, definitions and generally through basic observation.
We live in a designed world. It's a fact. Was it intelligent design or was it a design that came into being as a result of random events or whatever is what I know that I do not know.
So your saying everything is designed? Nothing is naturally occurring?

No.
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RE: Intelligent Design
December 25, 2015 at 11:45 am
(December 25, 2015 at 11:34 am)pool Wrote:
(December 25, 2015 at 10:24 am)Mr.wizard Wrote: So your saying everything is designed? Nothing is naturally occurring?

No.

Then I have no idea what your talking about and I doubt you do either because that's what certainly implied.
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RE: Intelligent Design
December 25, 2015 at 11:56 am
(December 25, 2015 at 11:45 am)Mr.wizard Wrote:
(December 25, 2015 at 11:34 am)pool Wrote: No.

Then I have no idea what your talking about and I doubt you do either because that's what certainly implied.

I had a feeling you were lost. It's okay.
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RE: Intelligent Design
December 25, 2015 at 12:12 pm
Condescension is everything.
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RE: Intelligent Design
December 25, 2015 at 12:25 pm
Let's make sure it's not a simple misunderstanding in the use of terms.  Are evolved creatures designed creatures, to you, Pool?  Does evolutionary biology seem, to you, to design things?
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RE: Intelligent Design
December 25, 2015 at 1:02 pm
(December 25, 2015 at 11:56 am)pool Wrote:
(December 25, 2015 at 11:45 am)Mr.wizard Wrote: Then I have no idea what your talking about and I doubt you do either because that's what certainly implied.

I had a feeling you were lost. It's okay.

Ya, ok pal. Rolleyes
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RE: Intelligent Design
December 25, 2015 at 1:39 pm
(December 25, 2015 at 12:25 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Let's make sure it's not a simple misunderstanding in the use of terms.  Are evolved creatures designed creatures, to you, Pool?  Does evolutionary biology seem, to you, to design things?

If you have any doubt about what I mean when I said design refer to the previous posts.
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RE: Intelligent Design
December 25, 2015 at 1:44 pm
I would say my position is the atheistic one. I have no beliefs about the origin of the universe, if there was one. Positing a particular origin, design, I would say is more akin to theism.
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