Another reason Buddhism doesn't get a pass.

[robvalue]

Yeah, I would expect that they would but I wouldn't take them very seriously.

I'll have to have a look into that. Of course, just like Jesus, there was bound to be some dude wandering about at whatever time that you could stick a hat on, but I'd be interested to know if the stories were intended to be historical or fictional in the first place. It sounds like if they are meant to be historical, you've found potential problems already.

Time for Wikipedia to give the definitive answer

[Brian37]

No that was not aggressive at all. If I don't care about what someone says I don't respond to it. He cared enough to respond. And again, he has, and you have ignore options, let him respond or do you think he can't handle himself?

I have waived my option to ignore, and will continue on!  I can stop if you want, so you can get back to Buddhism being bad if you like.

How it looked from my pov:
I saw your wife Betty yesterday, and she is Ugly!
You can call my wife ugly if you want, but you should know her name is Linda, and she's been dead for 10 years. 
Clearly you are rattled by my insult as you have chosen to respond!

Ugggggggg! You didn't insult me, your logic does. Learn the difference.

It isn't just Buddhism, I criticize ALL religions, and if you spent any time reading my posts here, I go after other atheists as well.

The human invented construct humans call "religion" is based on our species gap filling. That is all religions in the world worldwide in all of human history. ALL religions while they all set up social order, they are not pure, there is no such thing as a pure religion, even within the same labels their are competing sects and different interpretations and they hide behind moral claims and those claims set themselves up to divide, even within the same religions. 

Buddhists are one of 10s of thousands of religions worldwide among 100s of thousands of sub sects of all the worlds major religions. Religions make moral claims and as such to give any religion a pass and never question it is stupid for the links posted in the original post. BUT THE SAME questioning applies to ALL religions.

Buddhists are not bad, Christians are not bad, Muslims are not bad, Hindus are not bad.......

The concept of grouping on old claims and gap answers does not make the followers bad, it makes their logic bad, but bad logic can lead to really bad things if there is no ability to question the idea. Humans have rights, but ideas as claims do not deserve blind value. 

Humans worldwide for the most part want peace but that does not change that the idea of religion itself is not pure and for all the good it claims to do, everyone ignores it's baggage and divisive nature.

[henryp]

I have waived my option to ignore, and will continue on!  I can stop if you want, so you can get back to Buddhism being bad if you like.

How it looked from my pov:
I saw your wife Betty yesterday, and she is Ugly!
You can call my wife ugly if you want, but you should know her name is Linda, and she's been dead for 10 years. 
Clearly you are rattled by my insult as you have chosen to respond!

Ugggggggg! You didn't insult me, your logic does. Learn the difference.

It isn't just Buddhism, I criticize ALL religions, and if you spent any time reading my posts here, I go after other atheists as well.
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This is an unfortunate misunderstanding, and I've wasted your time.  I'm solely talking about a single line you posted, and am not talking about any of the content in the thread.

You said: No you are not fine with anyone calling it nonsense otherwise why make the attempt to "correct" me.

He was not correcting you because you called it nonsense.  He was correcting you because you said something he thought was a mischaracterization.
As in my example:
The guy responding doesn't care that the other guy thinks Betty is ugly.  He's just clarifying that he's not married to Betty.

It just struck me as funny, as you were complaining about how people treat your criticism of religion, and then that guy posted a super polite non-confrontational post, and you started your rebuttal with the bolded line above.  Again, waste of our time.  I'd undo it all if I could.

[Excited Penguin]

There is much wisdom into the nature of consciousness and other such things in buddhism, though. We shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

[The Grand Nudger]

Is there?  I think you have a low standard for wisdom. From my POV, there is no baby, only the water.

[Brian37]

Ugggggggg! You didn't insult me, your logic does. Learn the difference.

It isn't just Buddhism, I criticize ALL religions, and if you spent any time reading my posts here, I go after other atheists as well.
...

This is an unfortunate misunderstanding, and I've wasted your time.  I'm solely talking about a single line you posted, and am not talking about any of the content in the thread.

You said: No you are not fine with anyone calling it nonsense otherwise why make the attempt to "correct" me.

He was not correcting you because you called it nonsense.  He was correcting you because you said something he thought was a mischaracterization.
As in my example:
The guy responding doesn't care that the other guy thinks Betty is ugly.  He's just clarifying that he's not married to Betty.

It just struck me as funny, as you were complaining about how people treat your criticism of religion, and then that guy posted a super polite non-confrontational post, and you started your rebuttal with the bolded line above.  Again, waste of our time.  I'd undo it all if I could.

Ok, let me boil it down to one sentence.

ALL religions are nonsense. No it was not a "mischaracterization"  Feel better?

Now that you understand my position, can you stop acting like a child being over protective of others?

All religions were started in an age of scientific ignorance. All religions make moral claims. All religions back in antiquity had no clue about our species scientific DNA common connection. So all groups of humans made guesses and those ideas got turned into religion, those religions split into sub sects. Those sub sects have different ideas as how to implement those moral claims, and while some are less dogmatic and superstitious others are more dogmatic and superstitious, BUT BOTH are under the same label. 

"Mischaracterization" is just code for "My interpretation is the right way". That is a dodge. All religions pull that dodge when they don't want to face those within their same label of a different sect do different things.

Religion is nonsense, the idea that one group has special insight or better insight than another, when they all claim to be good while ignoring the divisions they cause.

No he is not "Married to Betty" but both are part of the same religion using the same label, and "Misscharacterization" is a dodge. Point being that religion does not unify even within the same religion.

[Brian37]

There is much wisdom into the nature of consciousness and other such things in buddhism, though. We shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Nobody should force anything out of existence no. But pretty stories exist in all religions, that does not make humans civil. If anything humans will kill to protect those kind motifs because they call it religion as soon as you question the story.

If religions were treated like literature and not the political entities they are, certainly one could be more appreciative of the kind ideas in all religions. What spoils those kind words is that they are wrapped in metaphor but some people don't take them as just that and even without the superstitions that are in all religions, it still amounts to group think if not the entire religion, group think between the different sects within that religion, and against outside groups.

[miaharun]

No you are not fine with anyone calling it nonsense otherwise why make the attempt to "correct" me.

He was just a man who started a religion, thats it. Other humans have started other religions.

"righteous life" yea ok, if Buddhism is a cure, then why do even Buddhist countries also have prisons? If Buddha were unifying to all Buddhists there would only be one sect. If the 4 Nobel Truths were also unifying that to would dictate there would be only one sect. You'd have me believe that Zen Buddhists, Chinese Buddhists and Tibet Buddhists all agree with how to implement those "4 Noble Truths"? 

 Buddha is no more unifying to Buddhists than Jesus is to Christians or Allah or Mo is to Muslims. All have within them their own competing sects of what constitutes a "righteous life".

"They aren't true Buddhists" "They weren't practicing it right" same excuses I get from every other religion.

No, those myths are why Buddhism took off. Watering it down is what all religions do to stay relevant. Christians pull that shit too. When for example, you point out the bullshit of talking snakes and talking donkeys they cop out to metaphor too. Sorry, but back when Buddha started selling his story the motif of purity birth was LITERALLY believed. 

The Buddha has thought us first to observe what he has thought and only if it agrees with us, then practise it

Yea and? Plenty of other liberals in other religions who say "Do good, believe what you want". Oh and with all religions I really hate the word "practice", it is not practicing it is following. Again, there is not one religion that does not have the motif of "do good and be kind. I'd only say that Asia and the Oriental religions are less dogmatic. But they are still not the gatekeepers of morality.

Good Sir, I didn't want to try to correct you, All i wanted to state was that i don't believe in fantasy like what i explained. If there were instances like that those would be there in currents times as well. It was a long time ago, I believe People have manipulated and changed things according to their benefit, as with other religions. However thankfully the core teachings has not changed (The precepts, 4 noble truths etc). I will give you an example, The basic 5 precepts are, Killing is wrong, Stealing is wrong, Adultery is wrong, Lying is wrong and consuming drugs and alcohol is wrong. When it says "Killing is wrong" for instance it applies to all living things in the world. Even a virus has the right to live. It doesn't segment living things in the water, land, underground etc etc. There is no manipulation like Halal for example. Fish is Halal and most of the land animals are not. The core teachings of Buddhism has not changed according to what i know and i hope people will not change it to their benefit.

Yes, Buddha was a man, human who started this. It is very difficult to call it a religion because it doesn't force anything on you. It is a way of living. most certainly not a cure. If it doesn't agree with you , you can always leave it and it is never considered a bad act or a misdeed. You tell me Sir, is that following or practicing?

I have been criticizing Christianity on a couple of threads because people have threatened me with religion. I have been told by people who converted to Christianity recently that if i don't take Jesus Christ into my heart and think he is my only savior i am going to hell. I find that a direct threat. Just because of my lack of belief that I'm going to suffer is absurd.

Finally I am not trying to teach you Buddhism nor telling you that it makes sense. I just gave some insights to you because you have not practiced it but taken what other people have written or experienced. I hope you have a good day

@ Rhythm, Sir, I have told why i believe in Karma and rebirth. I am fine with it being fantasy. It is so that ill always try to do the right thing. I like to have a feeling in the back of my mind that whatever bad/good act i do will come back to me. However when i do good i do it without expectation. regardless of my beliefs.

[The Grand Nudger]

You'd try to do the right thing even if you didn't believe, nothing about you (in that regard) would change if you stopped being a buddhist, you've expressed this before. Your buddhism doesn't seem to be relevant to your goodness.

Don't you find it amusing, that your comments regarding how buddhism was changed and corrupted by man directly echo those comments made by christians regarding their own faith?  In each case, both you and the christian believe that the portion which escaped manipulation is the portion you believe in.  How convenient for you both.

You're upset about threats? Aren't you the guy who explained that if people didn't watch their Karma..it would rape them in their next life? That's something you don't hear from christians, often.

[miaharun]

Sir, I didn't make a threat to a person, Directly. I don't threaten anyone with my beliefs. I only explained what it means. The explanation i gave, this person directly told me that if "i" miaharun didn't accept Jesus Christ that "i" miaharun is going to hell. I never said Rhythm, if "you" Rhythm don't adhere to karma or do bad things, curses are going to come after "you" Rhythm. I only stated how my belief works. Please don't misunderstand.