Islam and its History and Impact of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH)

[Mystic]

Sorry if this has been answered already. I have a question for my Muslim brothers. But what is the difference between the Quran and the Hadith? Which is more important? Is a Muslim supposed to follow both?

*Edited. Was watching TV when I wrote it the first time lol.

Hadiths are sayings attributed to the Prophet or the 12 Imams (if you are Shia) that have chains (so and so narrated from so and so). People study the people narrating it, and determine if everyone in the chain is trustworthy enough to deem the hadith authentic.

Some people believe hadiths can cancel out Quran (for example stoning hadiths cancel out Quran command to lash), the majority of Muslims are of this opinion. 

Shia and Sunni alike believe in this. Furthermore, majority of Muslims (shia and sunni) don't believe it's really up to them to study hadiths, but to follow a learned scholar regarding hadiths and follow what they explain is the rulings.

So this whole check hadiths with Quran is just a theory, it has no real practice. This specially given people don't reflect over verses of Quran much. 

In reality, hadiths more important then Quran to Muslims although they will all claim Quran is more important. The reason is hadiths are followed more then Quran through scholars.

That said, I think ilmel rijaal (the science of trustworthiness or lack of that of humans and their biographies) was more of bias tool then a real knowledge or science and should be used only to increase probability of truth of a report.

That said I do believe some hadiths have been narrated numerously with many authenticated chains as well as non-authenticated chains, that there is no doubt about them.  Those stand almost as important as Quran to me personally. 

Quran however to me is the most important. I don't believe hadiths can abrogate Quran or cancel out Quranic commands either. 

That said in theory  - Shia and Sunni - Muslims both believe hadiths should be referred to Quran. But in reality, it's a different practice then what is in theory.

[yukapuka]

edit: not sure why my post did not show

I did not say Muhammad only married virgins, in fact I did not mention virginity in any way, that's not something I would think about I know he married 6 years old onwards. He married safia after murdering her family, perhaps you can tell us a bit about that.

Also if people who knew him personally began to doubt him in the end, why should anyone a thousand years later believe in him? 

Taking care of your breath to please the ladies is not a humanist thing. And marrying the widows of men you conveniently sent to war to die on your behalf is not a thoughtful thing either.

About the heir are you referring to Ali? I would rather not go into that debate, blood has been spilled over it and it isn't over.

Finally, Hitler had a dog, called Blondy, and he so loved that dog and treated it well, he also treated his personal staff like family and was so kind to them. Does that make him a good man? Most Muslims think highly of him so I probably should not have asked that.

this is where your wrong

if you cant see the distinction between hitler and Muhammad(PBUH) then you cant see the reality of life

hitler doesnt have followers, hitler doesnt have a religion, hitler is made fun of by everyone, hitler is criticised and hitler in regards to what he left behind is all negative

Muhammad(PBUH) is the complete opposite to hitler in every regard

Also the people who doubted him in the end was not EVERY person, but the people who lusted after power, the ones who seen everything he established, an empire like the arabs have never seen before , he created a government with huge income, he created an army to defend the government, a social life, a law system, order, government positions, democracy, states, hierarchical structure, he brought together ALL of the tribes, he abolished slavery and racism, he created equality and honor for women, the Islamic world spread from one side of the world to the other which he united all the Arabs, now he had a nation that was able to be on par with the romans and began to communicate with them etc

something the arabs have NEVER seen before, and when they seen it all, their eyes fell out of their heads, they wanted to rule , they wanted to be SOMEONE etc and they knew how gentle caring man he was, they knew they could easily scam him due to his honest nature, and knew he wasnt going to fight them or attack them or even embarrass them in public by calling them this or that etc they took advantage of his gentleness so hence they said he was losing his mind because death was overtaking him so they ignored all his calls to leave a written heir so that it is undisputed etc

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Sorry if this has been answered already. I have a question for my Muslim brothers. But what is the difference between the Quran and the Hadith? Which is more important? Is a Muslim supposed to follow both?

*Edited. Was watching TV when I wrote it the first time lol.

The hadiths were written centuries after Mohammed supposedly bit the dust.  They are camel crap.  The Saudis follow a lot of them verbatim.

[yukapuka]

Same thing you do when the quran says something different then what you believe.  Make shit up, or ignore them.

Hadith are not taken as true unless they can be verified

there is a science of hadith where its narrators are studied(through other hadiths and biographies from Arabian historians of Islamic world) and the life of the Prophet is also studied(since again this is very heavily documented , which he himself told them to document, he told them to write down everything he did and say and there was constantly scribes going around with him , writing down his revelations and his life and everything he did, and also by the way he turned his nation of illiterates into a fully writing and reading nation in again a very short time 30 years ) there is even scribes who wrote down the same event but different writers , so if an event occurred or he did or said something , you can find 3-4 narrations from different people of the same event

However that being said Muhammd(PBUH) still had enemies, all those people he fought against in the beginning or actually fought against him and exiled him and attacked him and killed his family members and followers, all of them eventually became Muslim , they couldnt oppose his message any more so they became Muslim and tried to work from within of gaining this new found power

and since everyone was encouraged to write about his life his actions etc and to pass them on, his enemies did the same, they tried to destroy his image because they knew the Muslim nation loved Muhamamd(PBUH) and was so successful because of his behaviour because of his high level of morals, because of his gentleness and kindness

and so they paid people to go out and destroy this image, to write lies against him, and there is MANY hadith which are proven to be false such as certain narrators will write, and some even writing about him in times when they were not even existent

"i was with so and so and seen Muhamamd(PBUH) do so and so at this time ...."


but then when the narrators biographies are studied , it is proven that they were not even in Mecca or Medina or wherever the event is being narrated at the same time of the Prophet, sometimes even they were not born and around at that time etc

so the narrators and their lives are studied and biographies , because as soon as the Arab nation learned to write , EVERYTHING was starting to be documented, people went write crazy, they were writing about others about themselves , it became like a hobby for everyone

the Quran inspired everyone, taking a people who couldnt read and write and giving them a 1000 page book , changed their lives and everything completely and they acted upon it

so Hadith are many , and there is a science that scholars use today to to study the narrators

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Sorry if this has been answered already. I have a question for my Muslim brothers. But what is the difference between the Quran and the Hadith? Which is more important? Is a Muslim supposed to follow both?

*Edited. Was watching TV when I wrote it the first time lol.

The hadiths were written centuries after Mohammed supposedly bit the dust.  They are camel crap.  The Saudis follow a lot of them verbatim.

your completely wrong and talking out of your rear end and in ignorance

the most HEAVILY documented period was DURING the life of the Prophet , because HE instructed them and there was constantly scribed going around witht he Prophet writing and watching and listening to everything the Prophet did

it wasnt just that, but when he would even do things like get ablution(muslims ceremony with water prior to prayer) people would fight over the water that would fall from his face and hands

not just that, but people would collect the hair when he would trim and have a hair cut, which you can find today in museums, which only goes to show how much peole wanted everything from him , his clothes also we still have it, his personal items also

so it is no surprise that they also wrote down everything he said and did

people would spend the night at his house just so that they can document what he does at night, how he spends his time etc , and they documented his many prayers which he would spend his nights worshipping and his days fasting

[Minimalist]

You're an amazing asshole....and typical of the breed.

[yukapuka]

You're an amazing asshole....and typical of the breed.

its interesting that you need to swear to make yourself heard , there isnt a better word for your frustration? perhaps "oh no defeat to which i have no answer for"

a lot of what you believe in entirely based on misconception and ignorance

do you honestly think that 2 bilion people of the world including many Europeans and Americans who converted to Islam or where born Muslims, where interested in a paedophile and mass beheading?

if that is your understanding or explanation as to why Muslims exist in those numbers, then clearly there is something very wrong with your perception

if you were an intelligent person, you would ask, "Why do they follow him? "What is it about Islam that is so attractive?"

here let me show you some videos of white Americans who became Muslims

do they look like the type of people who endorse and condone pedophilia or behadings?

what is it that is so appealing to them, that they decide to put on a hijab(especially in this time when Muslims are widely criticised and targeted), give up alcohol and pork and change their life immensely, even having to endure extreme consequences due to it such as parents disowning them

and many other difficulties

why did they chose to go through all that? what is so attractive about Islam and Muhamamd(PBUH) that they literally choose to go through hell in order to believe and accept it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQQCAxv-6WI (Dr Lisa Killinger)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H_C0BMyGCA (Dr Jeffrey Lang mathematician went from Christianity to atheism to Islam)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9rB6LWt7eo (here even a ex Playboy model converted to Islam)

and the list goes on and on and on and on, all the white people in the world love and respect Muhamamd(PBUH) and do you think they loved him because he was all those things you people say out of ignorance?

as you can see , the impact and love of this man Muhammad(PBUH) from 1400 years ago still affecting people with his sublime morals and teachings and behaviour that it still attracting people

look how he is still changing the word!!

this is a miracle in itself , only truth can do this, change people like this

and as i said before, if you think this is possible to do , then why dont you do it

i challenge you, in 30 years change the face of the world if you can !!!

[mr_j936]

edit: not sure why my post did not show

I did not say Muhammad only married virgins, in fact I did not mention virginity in any way, that's not something I would think about I know he married 6 years old onwards. He married safia after murdering her family, perhaps you can tell us a bit about that.

Also if people who knew him personally began to doubt him in the end, why should anyone a thousand years later believe in him? 

Taking care of your breath to please the ladies is not a humanist thing. And marrying the widows of men you conveniently sent to war to die on your behalf is not a thoughtful thing either.

About the heir are you referring to Ali? I would rather not go into that debate, blood has been spilled over it and it isn't over.

Finally, Hitler had a dog, called Blondy, and he so loved that dog and treated it well, he also treated his personal staff like family and was so kind to them. Does that make him a good man? Most Muslims think highly of him so I probably should not have asked that.

this is where your wrong

if you cant see the distinction between hitler and Muhammad(PBUH) then you cant see the reality of life

hitler doesnt have followers, hitler doesnt have a religion, hitler is made fun of by everyone, hitler is criticised and hitler in regards to what he left behind is all negative

Muhammad(PBUH) is the complete opposite to hitler in every regard

Also the people who doubted him in the end was not EVERY person, but the people who lusted after power, the ones who seen everything he established, an empire like the arabs have never seen before , he created a government with huge income, he created an army to defend the government, a social life, a law system, order, government positions, democracy, states, hierarchical structure, he brought together ALL of the tribes, he abolished slavery and racism, he created equality and honor for women, the Islamic world spread from one side of the world to the other which he united all the Arabs, now he had a nation that was able to be on par with the romans  and began to communicate with them etc

something the arabs have NEVER seen before, and when they seen it all, their eyes fell out of their heads, they wanted to rule , they wanted to be SOMEONE etc and they knew how gentle caring man he was, they knew they could easily scam him due to his honest nature, and knew he wasnt going to fight them or attack them or even embarrass them in public by calling them this or that etc they took advantage of his gentleness so hence they said he was losing his mind because death was overtaking him so they ignored all his calls to leave a written heir so that it is undisputed etc

I was not saying Mohammad was like Hitler. I was merely pointing out that the fact that he loved children and his women does not mean that he is fit to be as a role model for eternity to come(Muslims will always look up to him now and till the end of times) It also does not mean that everything he did must be good and nice since he had the mentionedd qualities.

[robvalue]

How many people did he kill personally? How many did he order to be killed? Do we have any rough estimates?

Muhammad that is. Not Hitler. I doubt Hitler killed anyone himself, except himself.

Jesus only killed that one child, I think.

[yukapuka]

How many people did he kill personally? How many did he order to be killed? Do we have any rough estimates?

Muhammad that is. Not Hitler. I doubt Hitler killed anyone himself, except himself.

Jesus only killed that one child, I think.

Muhammad(PBUH) was involved n wars, but his wars where defensive, he personally did not like wars and preferred peace

However as you guys here have demonstrated that words seem to go right past your head

Muhamamd(PBUH) grew up in a society that was extremely backward and violent, he didnt grow up in a society of angels, rather demons , and they were killing their own children and warmongering was their past time

Later when he rose up, of course they were going to target him and try to kill him and attack him and he had to defend himself, he was fighting for the freedom of people and slaves and equality , and they were fighting to destroy that because they wanted to enslave people and have social classes that they can manipulate and exploit i.e slaves and women etc

If you cant read what i am writing it goes to show your not a rational person, and doent argue rationally but going by hearsay and emotion and ignorance

[yukapuka]

this is where your wrong

if you cant see the distinction between hitler and Muhammad(PBUH) then you cant see the reality of life

hitler doesnt have followers, hitler doesnt have a religion, hitler is made fun of by everyone, hitler is criticised and hitler in regards to what he left behind is all negative

Muhammad(PBUH) is the complete opposite to hitler in every regard

Also the people who doubted him in the end was not EVERY person, but the people who lusted after power, the ones who seen everything he established, an empire like the arabs have never seen before , he created a government with huge income, he created an army to defend the government, a social life, a law system, order, government positions, democracy, states, hierarchical structure, he brought together ALL of the tribes, he abolished slavery and racism, he created equality and honor for women, the Islamic world spread from one side of the world to the other which he united all the Arabs, now he had a nation that was able to be on par with the romans  and began to communicate with them etc

something the arabs have NEVER seen before, and when they seen it all, their eyes fell out of their heads, they wanted to rule , they wanted to be SOMEONE etc and they knew how gentle caring man he was, they knew they could easily scam him due to his honest nature, and knew he wasnt going to fight them or attack them or even embarrass them in public by calling them this or that etc they took advantage of his gentleness so hence they said he was losing his mind because death was overtaking him so they ignored all his calls to leave a written heir so that it is undisputed etc

I was not saying Mohammad was like Hitler. I was merely pointing out that the fact that he loved children and his women does not mean that he is fit to be as a role model for eternity to come(Muslims will always look up to him now and till the end of times) It also does not mean that everything he did must be good and nice since he had the mentionedd qualities.

That's where your wrong, HE is a role model and his morals and values and personality is what is still reverting people today to Islam

as i already pointed out, if he were not those things he would have been buried with time, his actions and person, but clearly since time has amplified him, shows that he truly was a sublime character

Great people like him dont get forgotten, and his achievements was probably greater then the achievements of all other people, he has made almost a 3rd of the world in our time alone follow his message and teachings

nobody has achieved that

and in his life in 30 years he turned a whole region and nation around and still till today they kept his pillars strong , Islam and Quran extremely thorough, we still know how he spent almost every day of his life

if he was some crazy lunatic evil person who did opposite to what he preached he would have been forgotten with time

but God has amplified him because he was truly sincere and truthful and honest and

other people in history have done great things, but his greatness surpasses them all, he has a mass following and will have for as long as the earth floats in space

and not just that the fastest growing religion persay!!

one man from a desert in a very difficult time of human history to achieve that and reach EVERYONE even people in our time is just beyond amazing , only God can do that for a person