Islam and its History and Impact of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH)

[Catholic_Lady]

Welcome to the forums, looking forward to reading more of your posts.

[Sheed1980]

just be careful what u pray for my friend. Allah hears and sees all and never forgets.

If it's all that you say it is I'd think it would know where I am and done something about it. Nothing yet.

Oh, no, cough, cough, arrrrrgh, my chest, can't breath, growing weaker.....weaker.......weaker.....arrrrrgh



Not!

Hey my friend to you be your way of belief and to me be mine

[robvalue]

You're just preaching loads of stuff about a possibly fictional character. What do you hope to achieve?

Whether he was real or not, or did any of those things, what difference does it make?

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[The Grand Nudger]

Get your copy paste bullshit off my boards Yuka, lol.

[mr_j936]

I think Muhammad was an intelligent Atheist who figured that the people are dumb and can be persuaded into anything, so after spending enough time alone scheming he came out with a pretty good story to tell them on how he is a messenger of God and he will lead them out of their wrong ways.

Why he had to mess with the Jews and Atheists I don't know. But I don't think there is anything divine in Islam. It started shaking the moment Muhammad died, he did not even name an heir, that is how poorly he planned for beyond his death. And that's because he did not care beyond his death. 

In his greatness he also did not follow his own rules. Men can marry 4 women, except him he could marry as much as he likes. Any woman can remarry after her husband dies except him, his wives cannot remarry after he dies. He clearly was in it for himself. He may have done well for Saudi Arabia or whatever it was called back then, but he conquered the middle east and Egypt and not long after he died those regions once peaceful were shoved into a religious civil war with one another, and we still are...

You wouldn't consider leaving your faith because of all the gruesome threats of eternal fire and peeling of flesh the quraan promises those who do not believe, but not because your faith actually makes sense or produces any prosperous way of life...

[yukapuka]

I think Muhammad was an intelligent Atheist who figured that the people are dumb and can be persuaded into anything, so after spending enough time alone scheming he came out with a pretty good story to tell them on how he is a messenger of God and he will lead them out of their wrong ways.

Why he had to mess with the Jews and Atheists I don't know. But I don't think there is anything divine in Islam. It started shaking the moment Muhammad died, he did not even name an heir, that is how poorly he planned for beyond his death. And that's because he did not care beyond his death. 

In his greatness he also did not follow his own rules. Men can marry 4 women, except him he could marry as much as he likes. Any woman can remarry after her husband dies except him, his wives cannot remarry after he dies. He clearly was in it for himself. He may have done well for Saudi Arabia or whatever it was called back then, but he conquered the middle east and Egypt and not long after he died those regions once peaceful were shoved into a religious civil war with one another, and we still are...

You wouldn't consider leaving your faith because of all the gruesome threats of eternal fire and peeling of flesh the quraan promises those who do not believe, but not because your faith actually makes sense or produces any prosperous way of life...

He actually did leave a heir, he mentioned it many times during his life and even close to his end, and also at his end, and when he tried to write it down so that it is undisputed they objected(those who were seeking this now newely established arabian empire at any cost) he realized that no matter what he said they were not going to listen, they had other goals and motives and agendas (which he knew even before it came to his death and mentioned many times indirectly warning about it , even there is many verses in the Quran talking about the hypocrites and their ulterior motives during events that related to them), but when the very people who were around him his whole life started calling him crazy at his death bed he realized how gone/lost they were and knew that no matter what he said or wrote they would only cause problems and bloodshed of his people and hence why he let it go, because he also knew that this life isnt THE life and put his trust in God in the matter , even at his death bed he was thinking of them

about his marrying more wives then others , yes this is true but the women he married were not all young virgins according to your theory , he married older widows as well that lost their husbands in the conflicts during his coming up an establishing Islam in Arabia and nobody wanted, so he did it as a form of charity to help them and take care of them

He was a socialist and humanist , everything he did he did to help other people who were in need

he took care of many orphans and widows and he instructed all Muslims not to ever neglect the two and to take care of both

also he had wives that made his life very miserable but he never pounced on them or attacked them or divorced them etc , he would do is best to please their wishes

even one famous narration where his wives where jealous that another wife was preparing something of his favourite food(honey) and in order to try to minimize this relationship that another wife had with him, they complained about the food giving him bad breath(later on after he ate with the other wife), so he vowed never to eat it again(a honey dish that he liked which one of his wives prepared) in order to please them followed by God revealing a verse in the Quran that he should not forbid upon himself what God had not forbid him and warning the wives about their jealousy

so he went over and beyond to please them and make them approve of him

he was a very gentle caring man

even once when he was leading prayers and doing the prostration on the ground, with hundreds of men behind him following, and it just so happened that some child climbed on his back while he was in prostration

and in order not to disturb the child's fun, he stayed in prostration while this child was on him , extending the prostration to an unusual length, and the people who obviously had all their heads in the ground and couldnt see what was going on began to get worried that he wasn't getting up an thought something happened to him

to find out later that he was staying in that prostration in order to not disturb the child's fun of climbing on his back , so he put the child enjoyment even above his own prayers which shows that he was so curtious to others that he even considered not disturbing them at the cost of even his prayers , but another important thing despite that he was leading men in prayer and a prophet he showed great humility by not considering his prayers more important then disturbing a child , there was also another lesson he was giving at this event and that is for parents to treat their children with love and care which the arabs were not accustomed to doing due to their habits prior to Islam state

and it is things like this that really sealed the love of the people around him to him, and us to him today

[The Grand Nudger]

Mohamed, a socialist and a humanist......... 

I think somebodies hoodwinked you about one of those three things.

[yukapuka]

Mohamed, a socialist and a humanist......... 

I think somebodies hoodwinked you about one of those three things.

if this man was a crazy liar evil person like you imagine

his name wouldnt have survived 1500 years later , his books, his religion, his life narratives, his beard particles, and many other items of his that clearly people cherished so much

this has not happened with any other person , and lies dont last 1500 years , tyrannts always get exposed, they dont get followers and their beard hairs saved and put in museums

people dont cry over such personalities daily, so much love isnt given to any person the way we give to Muhammad(PBUH) and as you have seen when they insult him in cartoons how upset Muslims get(despite that he himself wouldnt approve of their reactions as some have done)

we have so much about him, every step of his way was documented by people because he was such a phenomenal and great character and his achievements were truly unprecedented and to be never repeated, he changed 1/3rd of the face of earth in 30 years!!! that takes an EXTREME genius to do , but not to do it with weapons and wars but with manners and love!!

if all of this was false, it wouldnt have lasted and remembered like this, it just doesnt work that way

every hundred years his message get stronger and stronger , Islam grows at a phenomenal rate

how many white Americans alone converted to Islam after learning about him and his message

things like this cant be create with lies

things like this dont last like the way it lasted with him and will continue to last another 1000 years after our time

when we are dead and nobody knows we even existed, his name will still be remembered and he will still be adored and loved

and if you think you can create such a legacy with a lie, then i dare you try it for yourself, make yourself the man like Muhammad(PBUH) go to some desolate people and bring them out of the ashes into a nation that become so powerful and honourable and pioneers and leaders of the world in 30 years, and bring a book that will never be forgotten as eloquent and beautiful as the Quran that so many people read EVERY day 5 times a day by 2 billion people for their whole duration of their lives

even Jesus couldnt do that and didnt do that, no man has done that NONE!! that he whas reached all people from al walks of life from all corners of the earth

his mosques are everywhere!! in every country in every city in every town , you really are not grasping the impact of his!!

lies cant do that, they dont do that, only truth can do that

peace....

[Mystic]

 Men can marry 4 women, except him he could marry as much as he likes. 

Don't you think for Shia Muslim believers it has to be some of kind of sign, the Nabi had kids with Khadija, that aside from her was only some baby boys who died in infancy, and the only daughter of his to pass on offspring or outlive him, was Fatima? This is despite him having many wives. That none of them had children that lasted. That God made sure there weren't other offspring.

I'm not saying this is the reason, but, when we see the concept of chosen family in Quran, and chosen offspring, and divine authority being emphasized to be in chosen offspring, and then we read about the holy exalted position of the family in Mohammad, it's in contrast to the wives of the Prophet?  Declares that Mohammad is not the father of any of your men, but, that rang true even after the verse. That he had no kids who grew up to be men despite how many wives he had. 

To me, it's surely a sign, that Fatima and her offspring, God made sure no other offspring would compete, and believe if there was a son of a the Prophet, there would be a whole movement around his offspring and people would emphasize that offspring is passed on by the man side (which is the case in Islam).

Yet that didn't happen. The offspring of the Fatima where considered the offspring of Mohammad. Thus God honored Ali through that as well. 

So many wives, yet only descendants connected to him is through Fatima who was married to Ali.

To me it's a sign, that God wanted something special in the offspring of Fatima and Ali, like he wanted something special in the offspring of Ibrahim.

You know who Muslims have to bless in their Salah everyday? Even Sunnis do this. The family of Mohammad. 

Something to think about.  

It mind boggles me when I think about it personally.