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RE: Rule Change (New Staff Power)
January 12, 2016 at 10:19 pm
(This post was last modified: January 12, 2016 at 10:19 pm by Napoléon.)
(January 12, 2016 at 10:08 pm)robvalue Wrote: Nap: I apologize. You are right, you did not say that. I misread your post, twice. My bad! I missed a very important word in the sentence.
Again, my apologies. I didn't intend to misrepresent you.
No worries. Just to clarify: For me (can't speak for anyone else), the problem is if there is a member who is categorically not breaking any rules, but is just a complete arsehole, are we okay with giving staff the option of banning them (regardless of whether this option is ever used)? And are we okay for the staff to decide (regardless of how unanimously) for us as a membership who we deem as such arseholes?
It just opens a can of worms that doesn't need to be opened in my humble opinion when we can already collar these 'arseholes' for actual rule violations. If someone is skirting the rules so much and the disruption is so obvious, why can we not simply ban them for that? We have done so in the past.
I just see this whole thing as creating a solution to a problem that doesn't exist, and in the process it seems to undermine the rules themselves by saying they don't actually matter because we can ban you even when you aren't breaking the rules.
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RE: Rule Change (New Staff Power)
January 12, 2016 at 10:19 pm
(January 12, 2016 at 9:35 pm)Stimbo Wrote: You know what? I've had it with being maligned just for doing this job. If this is going to be the way people react to a Staff option that will never affect them nor which Staff hope will ever need to use except in the most extreme of situations (which I specifically pointed out to Tibs during discussions), then I fucking quit.
Nooooooooooooooooooo 
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RE: Rule Change (New Staff Power)
January 12, 2016 at 10:20 pm
(January 12, 2016 at 10:19 pm)MTL Wrote: (January 12, 2016 at 9:35 pm)Stimbo Wrote: You know what? I've had it with being maligned just for doing this job. If this is going to be the way people react to a Staff option that will never affect them nor which Staff hope will ever need to use except in the most extreme of situations (which I specifically pointed out to Tibs during discussions), then I fucking quit.
Nooooooooooooooooooo
I doubt he would actually quit because a couple of people disagreed with some new ruling. He'll be fine.
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RE: Rule Change (New Staff Power)
January 12, 2016 at 10:25 pm
(January 12, 2016 at 10:20 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: (January 12, 2016 at 10:19 pm)MTL Wrote: Nooooooooooooooooooo
I doubt he would actually quit because a couple of people disagreed with some new ruling. He'll be fine.
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RE: Rule Change (New Staff Power)
January 12, 2016 at 10:28 pm
I think it would be a good idea if the member being considered under this rule was informed of it before it took effect and given a period of time to change their behaviour... with perhaps another vote afterwards. That way it would be responsibility of the member in question whether they got banned, because if they genuinely tried to change, the second vote would probably reflect it, and it would also feel a lot fairer for them. And to stop a pattern forming you could say that after the second vote, if they acted out again there would be no further periods offered for change, or they were longer or something like that... just to stop it becoming another rule that could be flouted. I think if something like that was done it, as a super rule, could really work as a credible threat and motivator for change against those who skirt the rules but still be perceived as fair by all concerned - including the member under consideration.
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RE: Rule Change (New Staff Power)
January 12, 2016 at 10:29 pm
(This post was last modified: January 12, 2016 at 10:30 pm by robvalue.)
Nap: Thanks for accepting. I retract everything I said which was in response to the misreading.
To me, it seems like this is a new rule: deliberately skirting around other rules while being disruptive is against the rules.
I agree that a warning should be given first and a chance to change, from what I understand this will be the case.
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RE: Rule Change (New Staff Power)
January 12, 2016 at 10:29 pm
Disagreeing with a new rule is one thing.
"It won't take long for staff to abuse this new feature" is quite another.
How about if Staff started insinuating that it won't take long for you to spam the boards with porn, based on absolutely nothing at all? How would that sit with you?
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RE: Rule Change (New Staff Power)
January 12, 2016 at 10:33 pm
(January 12, 2016 at 10:29 pm)Stimbo Wrote: How about if Staff started insinuating that it won't take long for you to spam the boards with porn, based on absolutely nothing at all? How would that sit with you?
Go for it.
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RE: Rule Change (New Staff Power)
January 12, 2016 at 10:39 pm
Some people will never learn.
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RE: Rule Change (New Staff Power)
January 12, 2016 at 10:41 pm
(January 12, 2016 at 10:33 pm)Bella Morte Wrote: (January 12, 2016 at 10:29 pm)Stimbo Wrote: How about if Staff started insinuating that it won't take long for you to spam the boards with porn, based on absolutely nothing at all? How would that sit with you?
Go for it.
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