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RE: Damned White Xtian Terrorists
January 13, 2016 at 1:21 pm
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(January 13, 2016 at 1:15 pm)Vic Wrote: How exactly? As fast as with a gun, and as easy to do accidentally? Do you think that parents are intentionally the cause for the most lethal maladies that affect us in the US......or do you think that they might be feeding their kids poison in tremendous quantities on accident? It;s easier because we like sugar...we will gladly open our mouths...and children rarely run from a candy bar. It's ludicrous...but so is the notion that killing is easy on account of the tool in a persons hands. We know this to be demonstrably untrue.
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How can you say that? Is it equally as easy to kill someone with a staw from McDonalds as it is with a gun?
Of course other things are lethal as well. But my point is mostly that guns deaths are more easily and more often caused by accidents. Especially around children and alcohol. I'd say that if not remove them completely there should at least be harsher regulations.
I can say it because we've studied it and determined it to be conclusively true. The difficulty of killing exists and is overcome before a person pulls the trigger. The beauty of a gun...in terms of lethality, is the quickness with which you can act after having overcome your internal objections...and the effectiveness with which a determined killer can end lives when he has a gun in his possession. In case of accidents...and the relative lethality of objects involved in accidents....there's an incredibly long list of things that will kill you quicker and deader on accident....but this hardly matters, as we don't...generally, talk about confiscating something from someone because they may one day be involved in an accident with that object. Otherwise we'd be confiscating everyone's cars before the fact.
The regulations are -already- harsh. We simply fail to enforce them. Take any given "gun accident" and it's almost certainly the case that the person involved could be charged with a felony, some felony - there are many...and felons...don't have a right to bare arms...or any other legitimate non-constitutional complaint as to why they should not be removed from them.
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RE: Damned White Xtian Terrorists
January 13, 2016 at 1:28 pm
(January 13, 2016 at 1:21 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Do you think that parents are intentionally the cause for the most lethal maladies that affect us in the US......or do you think that they might be feeding their kids poison in tremendous quantities on accident? It;s easier because we like sugar...we will gladly open our mouths...and children rarely run from a candy bar. It's ludicrous...but so is the notion that killing is easy on account of the tool in a persons hands. We know this to be demonstrably untrue.
Sure, but that happens over the course of a lifetime. Pulling a trigger lasts much shorter and kills instantly.
Quote:I can say it because we've studied it and determined it to be conclusively true. The difficulty of killing exists and is overcome before a person pulls the trigger.
Do you have any links for that? I don't doubt the above, but I'd like to read more about it if you have any materials.
Quote:The beauty of a gun...in terms of lethality, is the quickness with which you can act after having overcome your internal objections...and the effectiveness with which a determined killer can end lives when he has a gun in his possession.
Exactly.
Quote:The regulations are -already- harsh. We simply fail to enforce them.
What could be done about it?
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RE: Damned White Xtian Terrorists
January 13, 2016 at 1:38 pm
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(January 13, 2016 at 1:28 pm)Vic Wrote: Sure, but that happens over the course of a lifetime. Pulling a trigger lasts much shorter and kills instantly. The person involved in either is no more or less dead....and it's still a fact that obesity is more lethal in this country than some other douche with a gun is. Consider your risk of being shot against your risk of heart attack. Btw..most gunshots in this country....non-lethal.
Quote:Do you have any links for that? I don't doubt the above, but I'd like to read more about it if you have any materials.
You could read a summary of the many studies from which that is sourced in the book "On Killing". It's a good read entirely apart from any gun debate issues, btw.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00J90F...TF8&btkr=1
Quote:What could be done about it?
Oh, I don't know...perhaps we could try enforcing our laws? I know, a revolutionary suggestion, but I think that it might work - particularly in the case of accidents....though, granted...law won't stop a determined killer.
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RE: Damned White Xtian Terrorists
January 13, 2016 at 1:44 pm
Thanks for the link!
(January 13, 2016 at 1:38 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Oh, I don't know...perhaps we could try enforcing our laws? I know, a revolutionary suggestion, but I think that it might work - particularly in the case of accidents....though, granted...law won't stop a determined killer.
Yeah, but I mean how do you get a government to do that? Is there something regular citizens can do about it? Petitions? Stuff like that?
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RE: Damned White Xtian Terrorists
January 13, 2016 at 1:48 pm
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Our prosecutors are public servants. You can probably work out, from there, how we might get them to do their jobs......threaten their jobs for failing to do their jobs. I think that this is -bound- to be more successful than stoking the fears of nutballs (often enough with guns - as in the story in the OP) by proposing something unconstitutional...and even ignoring that, difficult to justify by law.
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RE: Damned White Xtian Terrorists
January 13, 2016 at 2:20 pm
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/you-and-...on-family/
Quote:‘You and your family will die’: Christian Klansman terrorizes biracial Oregon family
It seems that Oregon is just too liberal for the crazies to handle.
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RE: Damned White Xtian Terrorists
January 14, 2016 at 1:33 am
(January 13, 2016 at 12:44 pm)Vic Wrote: (January 13, 2016 at 12:39 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Self solving problem. Give em booze and let em take each other out.
....or take away their firearms so that nobody has to die. You know  But if they do not die their genetic material propagates. Sorry there is enough idiocy in this world already, we don't need more.
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And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
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RE: Damned White Xtian Terrorists
January 14, 2016 at 1:25 pm
(January 13, 2016 at 1:03 pm)MTL Wrote: (January 13, 2016 at 11:45 am)Minimalist Wrote: A thread dedicated to all the armed, angry, shitheads walking around calling themselves "patriots."
Here's a good patriot.
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/anti-oba...-over-gun/
Yep, fucking jesus wants to hang out with gun-toting biker scum!
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That's not entirely true, what these pictures are trying to say. There's been a few examples of atheists who shoot up prayer meetings and stuff like that, communist dictators who ban religion.
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RE: Damned White Xtian Terrorists
January 14, 2016 at 1:29 pm
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(January 14, 2016 at 1:25 pm)paulpablo Wrote: (January 13, 2016 at 1:03 pm)MTL Wrote:
That's not entirely true, what these pictures are trying to say. There's been a few examples of atheists who shoot up prayer meetings and stuff like that, communist dictators who ban religion. That's really missing the point. People don't shoot up prayer meetings and ban religion "because they don't believe in god," which is what's required in order to 'do something because of atheism.' Stalin didn't ban religion because he was an atheist, he instituted a state religion with himself as the head because he was a megalomaniacal sociopath. You can't perform an act based on a simple lack of a belief, it doesn't make any sense.
For example, I don't support church-state-separation 'because I don't believe in God.' I support it because I do believe it's the most effective and safest way to run our country's government. You act in accordance with your beliefs, not you non-beliefs.
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RE: Damned White Xtian Terrorists
January 14, 2016 at 2:19 pm
(January 14, 2016 at 1:25 pm)paulpablo Wrote: (January 13, 2016 at 1:03 pm)MTL Wrote:
That's not entirely true, what these pictures are trying to say. There's been a few examples of atheists who shoot up prayer meetings and stuff like that, communist dictators who ban religion.
Yes that's true, certainly about communist dictators.
However I think it refers more to the Everyman,
and how the religious are far more likely to be movitated to violence through extremist religious views,
than the average Atheist is, over his Atheist views.
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