If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua?

[Angrboda]

Since ur so happy to oblige, send me a response with u staying "You invoke Allah's wrath and curse on you in this life and the Hereafter if what you say about Allah's nonexistence is NOT true. To simplify it for u, u wish the God that u say does not exist, will curse u and be furiously angry with u if He does exist

[Sheed1980]

Since ur so happy to oblige, send me a response with u staying "You invoke Allah's wrath and curse on you in this life and the Hereafter if what you say about Allah's nonexistence is NOT true. To simplify it for u, u wish the God that u say does not exist, will curse u and be furiously angry with u if He does exist

So I see ur mockery and sad sense of humor, but I still haven't seen u send the statement

[Expired]

I doubt Allah comes in here.

[robvalue]

So you're here to threaten us on behalf of your invisible big brother.

The thing is, you're wasting your time. You're just making your religion look even more stupid by suggesting he sent you here to bully us into submission. See, it can work when someone has a sword to your throat. I will then pretend to agree, and continue to do so until I can escape. But you're holding up a bit of soggy newspaper.

All you've got is threats which you won't even own as you're own, while pretending to be reasonable by saying "you have your belief, I have mine".

Would it be OK for me to tell you my big brother is going to torture you if you don't do what he says?

If Allah needs your help, he is more pathetic than I thought.

[Brian37]

So I see ur mockery and sad sense of humor, but I still haven't seen u send the statement

And?

This is the problem with both the left and right in all religions, they care far too much about being offended, than stopping the oppression and religiously justified bigotry and violence done in the name of religion.

The best way to shut an atheist up is to PROVE what you claim. Outside that our species needs to stop seeing getting offended as being the same as actual violence.

[robvalue]

I can't remember if I already posted this video in this thread, but here it is anyway. Religion is stupid. This is a summary of why preachers are wasting their time here. Try engaging us in proper conversation instead.

http://youtu.be/4W0mJ7svsKk

[Brian37]

NOW again, your logic stinks about the god you claim is real.

I find it absurd to claim "My God is all powerful" only to get angry at anyone picking on it. Really? If I have a dad in real life who is 6 foot 6 inches tall, and you are 4 feet tall, why would I need to protect my dad?

And the logic also is not there to claim "all loving". I think it is pretty petty of this alleged being to care more about it getting picked on than the death and violence that results in humans fighting over him.

Now please understand, we make the same arguments to Jews and Christians as well, because they are the same god character in any case. We really are not treating you differently, and we are not out to end your legal rights to make any claim you want. We are simply pointing out to you why your logic is broken. You getting offended is your baggage, not ours. Maybe YOU should consider why your logic is flawed.

[GUBU]

And as I pointed out to you the fact that you can make the number 26 as part of a Kabalistic rite doesn't mean shit, because the quran doesn't predict that the atomic number of Iron is 26. All this work showing that the quran predicts the atomic number of Iron was done after the atomic number of Iron (ie the number of protons) was discovered to be 26. What you need to do to show that there was some islamic scholar who used the quran to predict that number before it was found by other means, something which you cannot do. You saying the quran makes scientific predictions is like me predicting today the score of the 2015 All Ireland Hurling final, totally not worth shit.


Happy to oblige. The reason why there is a stricture against eating pork and other pig producst in islam is that mohammed loved being fucked up the arse by hogs, so much that he couldn't do anything else most days of the week. He also loved the feeling of little piglets sucking off his engorged milk laden tits. That is why also that every muslim cleric must spend every Saturday wallowing around naked in pig shit, being serviced by at least ten hogs.

I know I can say this, because there is no punishment out there for me saying bad things about imaginary people and deities. And I will continue saying them until you get the message that all your screeching about punishment in a non-existent next life isn't worth the pigshit you so obviously love eating.

Since ur so happy to oblige, send me a response with u staying "You invoke Allah's wrath and curse on you in this life and the Hereafter if what you say about Allah's nonexistence is NOT true. To simplify it for u, u wish the God that u say does not exist, will curse will curse u and be furiously angry with u if He does exist

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And as I pointed out to you the fact that you can make the number 26 as part of a Kabalistic rite doesn't mean shit, because the quran doesn't predict that the atomic number of Iron is 26. All this work showing that the quran predicts the atomic number of Iron was done after the atomic number of Iron (ie the number of protons) was discovered to be 26. What you need to do to show that there was some islamic scholar who used the quran to predict that number before it was found by other means, something which you cannot do. You saying the quran makes scientific predictions is like me predicting today the score of the 2015 All Ireland Hurling final, totally not worth shit.


Happy to oblige. The reason why there is a stricture against eating pork and other pig producst in islam is that mohammed loved being fucked up the arse by hogs, so much that he couldn't do anything else most days of the week. He also loved the feeling of little piglets sucking off his engorged milk laden tits. That is why also that every muslim cleric must spend every Saturday wallowing around naked in pig shit, being serviced by at least ten hogs.

I know I can say this, because there is no punishment out there for me saying bad things about imaginary people and deities. And I will continue saying them until you get the message that all your screeching about punishment in a non-existent next life isn't worth the pigshit you so obviously love eating.

Since ur so happy to oblige, send me a response with u staying "You invoke Allah's wrath and curse on you in this life and the Hereafter if what you say about Allah's nonexistence is NOT true. To simplify it for u, u wish the God that u say does not exist, will curse u and be furiously angry with u if He does exist

Sheed as long as you threaten me with non-existent damnation and tell lies aboutscience in the quran (you've obviously not read my explanation why the bullshit about science is bullshit, and as I've given it to you twice I'm not repeating myself again), I'll continue to denigrate your pigshit eating cunt of an imaginary friend an his paedophile, pig loving little mass murdering psychopath of a "prophet" for whom we've no dierct evidence of ever having lived. You stop disrespecting and using threatening me, and I'll stop telling you direcy how fucked up your god is (he still won't exist however and I'm never going to retract that on the shit and lies you spew).

[Sheed1980]

So I see ur mockery and sad sense of humor, but I still haven't seen u send the statement

And?

This is the problem with both the left and right in all religions, they care far too much about being offended, than stopping the oppression and religiously justified bigotry and violence done in the name of religion.

The best way to shut an atheist up is to PROVE what you claim. Outside that our species needs to stop seeing getting offended as being the same as actual violence.

You're not offending me by not accepting my belief. I'm doing this to try to help others see what we as Muslims believe is true and why we believe it to be true. The deep part of it is that we need to accept it as the truth now because once we're gone from this life and the truth that was told to us comes forward, it'll be too late to say I know now so I'll go back and do better. So the proof my friend is being shown to us now in ways but the real proof is after we die

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Since ur so happy to oblige, send me a response with u staying "You invoke Allah's wrath and curse on you in this life and the Hereafter if what you say about Allah's nonexistence is NOT true. To simplify it for u, u wish the God that u say does not exist, will curse will curse u and be furiously angry with u if He does exist

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Since ur so happy to oblige, send me a response with u staying "You invoke Allah's wrath and curse on you in this life and the Hereafter if what you say about Allah's nonexistence is NOT true. To simplify it for u, u wish the God that u say does not exist, will curse u and be furiously angry with u if He does exist

Sheed as long as you threaten me with non-existent damnation and tell lies aboutscience in the quran (you've obviously not read my explanation why the bullshit about science is bullshit, and as I've given it to you twice I'm not repeating myself again), I'll continue to denigrate your pigshit eating cunt of an imaginary friend an his paedophile, pig loving little mass murdering psychopath of a "prophet" for whom we've no dierct evidence of ever having lived. You stop disrespecting and using threatening me, and I'll stop telling you direcy how fucked up your god is (he still won't exist however and I'm never going to retract that on the shit and lies you spew).

First of all I'm not threatening u at all. I simply challenged u since u speak so negatively towards God. And I see that u haven't written the comment, so some part of ur conscience is telling maybe I shouldn't say that. Secondly the comments u make negatively towards my God Allah and my Prophet Muhammad pbuh aren't hurting me in the long run. Sure I take offense to it, but it is ur God given free right to believe as u will. But u don't have to stand b4 me in judgment u as well as everybody else has to stand b4 Allah

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NOW again, your logic stinks about the god you claim is real.

I find it absurd to claim "My God is all powerful" only to get angry at anyone picking on it. Really? If I have a dad in real life who is 6 foot 6 inches tall, and you are 4 feet tall, why would I need to protect my dad?

And the logic also is not there to claim "all loving". I think it is pretty petty of this alleged being to care more about it getting picked on than the death and violence that results in humans fighting over him.

Now please understand, we make the same arguments to Jews and Christians as well, because they are the same god character in any case. We really are not treating you differently, and we are not out to end your legal rights to make any claim you want. We are simply pointing out to you why your logic is broken. You getting offended is your baggage, not ours. Maybe YOU should consider why your logic is flawed.

Another point u miss is that God doesn't need anyone for anything He i s All Powerful, free of all needs, worthy of all praise. He places us here to see if we're going to speak the truth about Him and live righteously worshipping Him alone, and living righteously amongst each other. This life is a test to pass, and pleasing God to receive whatever our minds and heart desire only times and times better than we can possibly imagine. It is also a test to fail and angering God to receive punishment more severe than we could imagine as well. So long story short we're living this life for ourselvesnot God. We can get whatever we want by passing or everything we don't want by failing

[Brian37]

And?

This is the problem with both the left and right in all religions, they care far too much about being offended, than stopping the oppression and religiously justified bigotry and violence done in the name of religion.

The best way to shut an atheist up is to PROVE what you claim. Outside that our species needs to stop seeing getting offended as being the same as actual violence.

You're not offending me by not accepting my belief. I'm doing this to try to help others see what we as Muslims believe is true and why we believe it to be true. The deep part of it is that we need to accept it as the truth now because once we're gone from this life and the truth that was told to us comes forward, it'll be too late to say I know now so I'll go back and do better. So the proof my friend is being shown to us now in ways but the real proof is after we die

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Sheed as long as you threaten me with non-existent damnation and tell lies aboutscience in the quran (you've obviously not read my explanation why the bullshit about science is bullshit, and as I've given it to you twice I'm not repeating myself again), I'll continue to denigrate your pigshit eating cunt of an imaginary friend an his paedophile, pig loving little mass murdering psychopath of a "prophet" for whom we've no dierct evidence of ever having lived. You stop disrespecting and using threatening me, and I'll stop telling you direcy how fucked up your god is (he still won't exist however and I'm never going to retract that on the shit and lies you spew).

First of all I'm not threatening u at all. I simply challenged u since u speak so negatively towards God. And I see that u haven't written the comment, so some part of ur conscience is telling maybe I shouldn't say that. Secondly the comments u make negatively towards my God Allah and my Prophet Muhammad pbuh aren't hurting me in the long run. Sure I take offense to it, but it is ur God given free right to believe as u will. But u don't have to stand b4 me in judgment u as well as everybody else has to stand b4 Allah

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NOW again, your logic stinks about the god you claim is real.

I find it absurd to claim "My God is all powerful" only to get angry at anyone picking on it. Really? If I have a dad in real life who is 6 foot 6 inches tall, and you are 4 feet tall, why would I need to protect my dad?

And the logic also is not there to claim "all loving". I think it is pretty petty of this alleged being to care more about it getting picked on than the death and violence that results in humans fighting over him.

Now please understand, we make the same arguments to Jews and Christians as well, because they are the same god character in any case. We really are not treating you differently, and we are not out to end your legal rights to make any claim you want. We are simply pointing out to you why your logic is broken. You getting offended is your baggage, not ours. Maybe YOU should consider why your logic is flawed.

Another point u miss is that God doesn't need anyone for anything He i s All Powerful, free of all needs, worthy of all praise. He places us here to see if we're going to speak the truth about Him and live righteously worshipping Him alone, and living righteously amongst each other. This life is a test to pass, and pleasing God to receive whatever our minds and heart desire only times and times better than we can possibly imagine. It is also a test to fail and angering God to receive punishment more severe than we could imagine as well. So long story short we're living this life for ourselvesnot God. We can get whatever we want by passing or everything we don't want by failing

No you are missing the point. If you agree god does not need humans, then the fact you are trying to make an argument for it, you are being hypocritical. Why are you even here if you agree he doesn't need humans?

Prove he doesn't need you, stop posting here, OR admit it is flawed logic you are using. Each post you make after this and even the ones prior prove that you don't really believe what you claim, you only merely truly like the idea of what you claim.

Oh and don't use the word "test". That is a vile way to think of human beings. A "test" is something you take in school. A "test" is something you take to get a job. A "test" is something you take to get on a sports team, or to get into a music program.

I find it sick that you'd think it a "test" and justify things like childhood cancer, or child murder or rape, as a "test". Much less all the 50 million humans who die worldwide from everything every year. If you consider all that death a "test", your morality as a human being sucks.

If you want to think of yourself as a lab rat you can, I don't consider myself a toy to be fucked with in violent ways just to glorify one selfish sky bully.