TBR starts The Quran Reloaded!

[ReptilianPeon]

Some women have conviinced themselves, rather than admit that they would have liked to have entered into a "Haram relationship", that they were possessed via cyberspace and that demons have been sharing their social media photographs. If proven true, it's pretty convincing evidence for demons. But how do demons travel through the Internet? People, including DawahMan actually believe such women which shows how stupid they are.

[SofaKingHigh]

Well that's what I've been saying, Rob. Not only that, but the devils/ Shaytan are chained up during the month of Ramadan (at least according to certain Hadith; this might be in the Quran too). So if you have doubts during Ramadan you can be sure it's not the fault of the Shaytan. In short, that's the main reason how this one lady at least (whom Matt Dillahunty interviewed for YouTube, I can't remember her name) went from being part of the Ummah to disbelief. She noticed that she was having doubts during Ramadan when the Shaytan is weakest.

No, the "demon's are locked in hell during Ramadan" is a Hadith, it's not mentioned in the Quran or even cited.
Hence, Satan is overrated in the Shia/Sunni faiths, despite the Quran saying otherwise :

(Sura 14 Verse 22 )   And Satan will say when the matter has been concluded, "Indeed, Allah had promised you the promise of truth. And I promised you, but I betrayed you. But I had no authority over you except that I invited you, and you responded to me. So do not blame me; but blame yourselves. I cannot be called to your aid, nor can you be called to my aid. Indeed, I deny your association of me [with Allah] before. Indeed, for the wrongdoers is a painful punishment."

or this verse :

( Sura 4 Verse 76 )   Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who disbelieve fight in the cause of Taghut (synonym for anything that is anti-God & is being worshiped instead of God). So fight against the allies of Satan. Indeed, the plot of Satan has ever been weak.


Man's greatest enemy is man's own self. 
The Quran said it too in another verse :

Sura 91 :
( 7 )   And [by] the soul and He who proportioned it

( 8 )   And inspired it [with discernment of] its wickedness and its righteousness,
( 9 )   He has succeeded who purifies it,
( 10 )   And he has failed who instills it [with corruption].

Sinning then blaming satan is one terrible mistake. I would love to quote Satan :
"Do not blame me, though blame yourselves".

Honestly, what a total load of old bollocks......demons, satan, sin, I mean....seriously???

Sorry Atlas, you seem like a thoroughly nice chap, but what that is is a story, nothing more.  the fact that w're debating this shit in the 21st century genuinely amazes me.

These are stories to frighten kids into behaving.

[The Grand Nudger]

...and apparently, they don't work.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Nope, I have no idea about that I'm afraid.

Hey Mystic Knight, I managed to find the "dark force" that stops people believing in Allah. It's Allah. It says so in the first Surah. Case closed surprisingly easily!

Remember that the Bible didn't get chapters and verses until the 13th and 16th Centuries.  I highly doubt if the Koran had chapters and verses before the Bible got them.  Consequently that means that if they were added in the Late Middle Ages or even later that the Koran in use today has been significantly altered.

[robvalue]

Indeed.

The idea that God forgot to put in proper chapter breaks is pretty hilarious.

[Nay_Sayer]

The Quran is a mess. It keeps repeating itself unnecessarily. 

 It repeats but it does so with adding dimensions of reflections and the Surahs compliment one another. The main reflection has to do with the primary aspect of Wilayah (authority of God and his chosen ones), but the other components of the religion compliment that as well.

I get it, So it's like taking a mediocre shit and shoving the log back up your rectum so you can add more and more layers of colorful shit.

[ReptilianPeon]

Sinning then blaming satan is one terrible mistake. I would love to quote Satan :
"Do not blame me, though blame yourselves".

Why is blaming Satan (always) a terrible mistake? Satan is so powerful compared to humans. Satan should get the blame at least some of the time.

Allah created Satan knowing that the angel would not bow before humans (Adam). And Sata rebelled against Allah knowing it would lose. So Allah foresaw the suffering of humans but decided to do nothing about it. Allah created a flawed creation either be accident or on purpose, neither of which are good options.

Quran 43:62 says this: "Let not the Evil One hinder you: for he is to you an enemy avowed."

How could I objectively tell that I'm being hindered (misdirected) if Satan, as Quran 35:5* says, is the Chief Deceiver? Wouldn't Satan be constantly finding new ways to device? Satan knows Allah better than any humans and I'm sure it can imitate Allah reasonably competently.

*Quran 35:5 "O men! Certainly the promise of Allah is true. Let not then this present life deceive you, nor let the Chief Deceiver deceive you about Allah."

[robvalue]

Yeah, blaming Satan is fine, as long as it's admitted that Satan is comparable in power to God.

However, Satan always comes off as the hero, almost by default, by comparison to the angry Abra-Gods.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Indeed.

The idea that God forgot to put in proper chapter breaks is pretty hilarious.

That's a very serious question because it's almost 100 percent certain that the idea of chapters and verses didn't pop up until the late Middle Ages.  The idea is so useful in religious fairy tales that all of the ones I know about use them.  That means that the translators took the original jumbled mess and organized it into chewable pieces.  The Islamic hierarchy then took the translated version and retranslated it into Arabic using the new format of chapters and numbered verses and passed it off as original.  

Maybe someone can produce a clean copy of an authentic original Koran that includes chapters and numbered verses.  

Is there any other legitimate book from the early 7th Century that includes chapters and the numbered verse format?

[WinterHold]

Why is blaming Satan (always) a terrible mistake? Satan is so powerful compared to humans. Satan should get the blame at least some of the time.

Allah created Satan knowing that the angel would not bow before humans (Adam). And Sata rebelled against Allah knowing it would lose. So Allah foresaw the suffering of humans but decided to do nothing about it. Allah created a flawed creation either be accident or on purpose, neither of which are good options.

Quran 43:62 says this: "Let not the Evil One hinder you: for he is to you an enemy avowed."

How could I objectively tell that I'm being hindered (misdirected) if Satan, as Quran 35:5* says, is the Chief Deceiver? Wouldn't Satan be constantly finding new ways to device? Satan knows Allah better than any humans and I'm sure it can imitate Allah reasonably competently.

*Quran 35:5 "O men! Certainly the promise of Allah is true. Let not then this present life deceive you, nor let the Chief Deceiver deceive you about Allah."

The deceit of Satan is weak. 
But humans themselves are created weak. 
Though, we can hold against it; resist. But without God, we are doomed against Satan. 

You can refer the number of souls losing the race, but you didn't refer to the other souls that defeated the demon. Blaming him totally is wrong, because we won't commit the negative action unless we by our own selves, agree and decide to take Satan's advice.

Our weakness is not bad. It's a two edged weapon. After all, one of the main reason for believing in God, is human weakness.

God knew that Satan would rebel, but he also knew that Satan would be a good creature for a very long time (before it turns into a demon), God gave Satan its chance. 

God is just. If he was a dictator -as many claim-, he would do what you exactly suggested, MNMP : not create Satan- Connect humans to ropes like dummies - move us around like sheep; like the puppets we are.

He gave us an opportunity to live. All of us agreed to this life, and in this life, he -God- created other beings who also have the ability to think, like Satan.
God is not a puppet master, and life is not a show for puppets.