Near death experience of Howard Storm

[Whateverist]

Sorry but I don't find the genre interesting enough to wade through yet another. Clearly an NDE is a private experience, not an empirical one. So what goes on in the head of the self described 'nearly dead' person doesn't tell us anything about the lay of the land 'out there'. But they do tell us about that persons experience, and if there is enough commonality between such accounts we might get an insight into some feature of psychology which is common in people. Or not.

[scoobysnack]

Sorry but I don't find the genre interesting enough to wade through yet another.  Clearly an NDE is a private experience, not an empirical one.  So what goes on in the head of the self described  'nearly dead' person doesn't tell us anything about the lay of the land 'out there'.  But they do tell us about that persons experience, and if there is enough commonality between such accounts we might get an insight into some feature of psychology which is common in people.  Or not.

Well I hope that you would take the time to at least read through it before forming a conclusion. Like I said, this is one of the most interesting experiences I've come across. It can't hurt to at least be aware of it. At least after reading it you can say you have read it and didn't sway you, or maybe it will.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTFVMMCwsss

Cool song, I've never heard it before. I used to talk with someone on another form where I live in Madison WI the user name lunatic fringe, and have to guess they probably took that name from this song.

What did you think of Howard Storm's story?

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There is the whole theory that DMT excretes from the pineal gland into the brain as the brain dies, and creates hallucinations, which I've read about. What NDEs and out of body experiences suggest is that consciousness can exist outside of the brain or body. Please read the story and let me know what you think. There are also veridical NDEs which I'll talk about later.

The case of out of body experiences is equivocal; there is nothing about OBEs that couldn't just as easily occur within the body.   OBEs 'suggest' consciousness can exist outside the brain in the same way that dreams of flying suggest we can fly.  The experience is not evidence that the experience is veridical.

Veridical NDEs are a different matter, and the number of them is so few that it's near impossible to conclude anything based on them.  The case of Pam Reynolds can be debated at length, and that's about the best it gets.

I guess in the end perception creates reality, whether true or not. Two people can look at something yet come to completely different conclusions which are equally real to them personally. It could be argued that perception of reality is more real to the individual than actuality, but since the perception is how our consciousness at that moment perceives it, it becomes real to us at that time. So there could be a point in time where you become disillusioned with your perceived reality, but are trapped and can either accept or fight it. This happened to Howard Storm, where he knew he must be hallucinating, but for him it was real and unexpected, and had to deal with it since there was no escape. You could say it was being stuck in a dream, but the key thing is he was stuck, whatever it was. I tend to believe he traveled outside his body with his soul and into the spiritual realm which took time to realize.

That's cool that you know about veridical NDE's. Look forward to talking about the examples I have found.

[Angrboda]

[Minimalist]

Sounds like a Shit Storm.

[brewer]

Yep, just read wiki also. No documentation of NDE. This sounds like total fabrication/fantasy. But then so is god so there ya go.

[Minimalist]

It's enough to fool believers, M.H.  But then, they desperately crave to be fooled!

[Thumpalumpacus]

[scoobysnack]

[Angrboda]

Yes, he was not declared clinically dead, but that doesn't mean much. There's no evidence proving the crimes I committed and got away with as a youth, yet I can promise you they still happened. I'm far from a perfect person, and I know that no one can claim to be. Another aspect is perception of time, which is vastly different than how we measure it in the material world. One day equaling a rotation of the earth is only relevant to those on earth.

For me the most interesting point of this story is that he considered himself an atheist and took pride in that ideology, yet somehow ended up moving away from that and turning towards something he never believed to be truth. That's what's makes this story so interesting. I'm sure some would say he's just a fool. The only guarantee in life is death. You can even get away without paying taxes, but we are all mortal, and death will come. For me I think it's interesting to know about death to learn the lessons, before it comes to me, so I can grow in knowledge.

You want so desperately to believe that you'll accept a near death story from someone who wasn't near death. The truth is no obstacle to such eagerness.

[scoobysnack]