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Disclosure Project - Aliens UFOs
#51
RE: Disclosure Project - Aliens UFOs
(February 2, 2016 at 8:26 am)Alex K Wrote: The Alcubierre drive not merely needs a lot of Energy, it needs * negative * Energy density!

It's interesting that we can theorize such a technology even if the ability is built is likely 100's of years beyond us.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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#52
RE: Disclosure Project - Aliens UFOs
(February 2, 2016 at 2:00 pm)Alex K Wrote:
(February 2, 2016 at 11:19 am)Gawdzilla Wrote: Nein, nein, nein! 
Wir gingen in das Innere der Erde!

*Auf dem Fußboden rollen vor Lachen*

Ger flip der flop der boing foygen.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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#53
RE: Disclosure Project - Aliens UFOs
(February 2, 2016 at 2:02 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: I find it funny that aliens seem to choose to abduct specifically people who are the least likely to be believed.

Carl Sagan once made an observation along the lines that ETs always seem to land in the middle of some semi-literate farmer's beet patch, when they could just as easily make an appearance in Moscow, Washington DC, or Zhongnanhai.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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#54
RE: Disclosure Project - Aliens UFOs
(February 2, 2016 at 5:28 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(February 2, 2016 at 2:02 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: I find it funny that aliens seem to choose to abduct specifically people who are the least likely to be believed.

Carl Sagan once made an observation along the lines that ETs always seem to land in the middle of some semi-literate farmer's beet patch, when they could just as easily make an appearance in Moscow, Washington DC, or Zhongnanhai.

Boru

Like Jebus!
Dying to live, living to die.
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#55
RE: Disclosure Project - Aliens UFOs
(February 2, 2016 at 12:06 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Hrm interesting question. I've been into UFOs for a long time. I think it is a arena that is currently overrun with quacks, but desperately needs some skeptical inquiry but honest inquiry because some of the reports are too credible to just chuck out. What interests me most is when pilots come out with these reports, especially those in the military and or with radio transcripts and radar data. Incidents like that are rare, but I know there are few, including one that is on Canadian government records on UFOs. However the disclosure project is still a little hard for me to swallow.

I agree, the disclosure project information presented is pretty far out there. I think what it really comes down to is people really want to believe their government is telling them the truth, and that with such a big government of people on both sides of the political spectrum, something would leak out, and the media would gobble it up immediately to get the big story to share with the public. That's what I used to think when I was younger, but the more you research the military at least, it's actually pretty easy to keep the media silent, because it would be going against national security. I don't want to reveal anything classified, even if I had that information. Disclosure project is interesting especially the press conference.

The general population would be the last to know, that's a garuntee. They always classify the encounters and bring in scientists to study them, but it never goes public. When it does it's from testimony, but people on this board are waiting for the government to say so. Even then the government could lie. One of big reasons would be to create a threat to the whole world, which would unite the people of the world in a common cause so we would no longer worry about our differences such as nations or religion.

Even ex head of the CIA George HW Bush a few months ago when asked about UFOs at a recent event for Jeb Bush running for president responded that "the American people can't handle the truth". It's not the only time hes responded to questions like that, normally he says he can't talk about classified information.

If you prefer not to be on the cutting edge and risk researching possible incorrect information or even misinformation, you can wait for the government which you trust so much to tell you what to believe. What's interesting is all the people in this video worked for the government at very high levels, but everyone says they are liars. Probably because they think the individual can lie, but the government as a collective wouldn't lie and couldn't get away with it, because we would find out. Problem is who would you find out from? More government whistleblowers who you think are liars?
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#56
RE: Disclosure Project - Aliens UFOs
OK, so far you believe in the soul surviving death and aliens here on earth.
C'mon, don't be shy, what else you got up your sleeve!

We need to know!
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear.
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#57
RE: Disclosure Project - Aliens UFOs
(February 2, 2016 at 7:38 pm)ignoramus Wrote: OK, so far you believe in the soul surviving death and aliens here on earth.
C'mon, don't be shy, what else you got up your sleeve!

We need to know!

911 was an inside job, the pyramids were built by aliens, and green is really blue.

Wink
Dying to live, living to die.
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#58
RE: Disclosure Project - Aliens UFOs
(February 2, 2016 at 7:38 pm)ignoramus Wrote: OK, so far you believe in the soul surviving death and aliens here on earth.
C'mon, don't be shy, what else you got up your sleeve!

We need to know!

Plenty haha just wait mate

Some great quotes from President Nixon were in my local news paper, the Wisconsin State Journal November 17, 2005 in the article titled ‘Nixon’s deceptive ways revealed in documents’ on page A3.
The first paragraph says


"Even after Richard Nixon’s secret war in Cambodia became known, the president persisted in deception. “Publicly we say one thing.” He told aides. “Actually we do another” and in another paragraph, he says, “That is what we will say publicly.” He asserted. “But now, let’s talk about what we will actually do”. "
"The owners and managers of the press determine which person, which facts, which version of the facts, and which ideas shall reach the public."
Commission On Freedom Of The Press
 
Perception management is a term originated by the U. S. military. The U. S. Department of Defense (DOD) gives this definition:
perception management—Actions to convey and/or deny selected information and indicators to foreign audiences to influence their emotions, motives, and objective reasoning as well as to intelligence systems and leaders at all levels to influence official estimates, ultimately resulting in foreign behaviors and official actions favorable to the originator’s objectives. In various ways, perception management combines truth projection, operations security, cover and deception, and psychological operations.
 
All propaganda has to be popular and has to adapt its spiritual level to the perception of the least intelligent of those towards whom it intends to direct itself.

Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf ("My Struggle"), Vol. I
Public sentiment is everything. With public sentiment nothing can fail. Without it nothing can succeed. He who molds opinion is greater than he who enacts laws.
President Abraham Lincoln
One cannot wage war under present conditions without the support of public opinion, which is tremendously molded by the press and other forms of propaganda.
General Douglas MacArthur
If you give a man the correct information for seven years, he may believe the incorrect information on the first day of the eighth year when it is necessary, from your point of view, that he should do so. Your first job is to build the credibility and the authenticity of your propaganda, and persuade the enemy to trust you although you are his enemy.

A Psychological Warfare Casebook Operations Research Office Johns Hopkins University Baltimore (1958)
The magnitude of a lie always contains a certain factor of credibility, since the great masses of the people in the very bottom of their hearts tend to be corrupted rather than consciously and purposely evil, and that, therefore, in view of the primitive simplicity of their minds they more easily fall a victim to a big lie than to a little one, since they themselves lie in little things, but would be ashamed of lies that were too big.
Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler
A lie told often enough becomes the truth.
Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
 
"There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history, in America as an independent press. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone. The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth; to lie outright; to pervert; to vilify; to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it and what folly is this toasting an independent press? We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
--John Swinton, the former Chief of Staff for the New York Times, was one of America's best loved newspapermen. Called by his peers "The Dean of his Profession", John was asked in 1953 to give a toast before the New York Press Club.
"We are going to impose OUR AGENDA on the coverage by dealing with the issues and subjects WE choose to deal with."
--RICHARD M. COHAN, Senior Producer of CBS political news
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"Our job is to give people not what they want, but what WE decide they ought to have."
--RICHARD SALANT, former President of CBS News
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"Propaganda is persuading people to make up their minds while withholding some of the facts from them."
--Harold Evans
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"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
Joseph Goebbels, German Minister of Propaganda, 1933-1945


"All propaganda must be so popular and on such an intellectual level, that even the most stupid of those toward whom it is directed will understand it... Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way around, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise."
Adolf Hitler 1935  Mein Kampf, p. 197. 14th Edition
 
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The weapon of the dictator is not so much propaganda as censorship. - Terence H. Qualter, Propaganda and Psychological Warfare, 1962
 
"We live in a dirty and dangerous world. There are some things the general public does not need to know, and shouldn't. I believe
democracy flourishes when the government can take legitimate steps
to keep its secrets and when the press can decide whether to print
what it knows."
Katherine Graham, owner and former publisher of The Washington Post - speech to CIA recruits in 1988
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The size of the lie is a definite factor in causing it to be believed, for the vast masses of a nation are in the depths of their hearts more easily deceived than they are consciously and intentionally bad. The primitive simplicity of their minds renders them a more easy prey to a big lie than a small one, for they themselves often tell little lies, but would be ashamed to tell big lies.
-Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf, p. 197(?) 14th Edition
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The great masses of the people ... will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one.
-Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf, 1933
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"I have the greatest admiration for your propaganda. Propaganda in the West is carried out by experts who have had the best training in the world — in the field of advertizing — and have mastered the techniques with exceptional proficiency ... Yours are subtle and persuasive; ours are crude and obvious ... I think that the fundamental difference between our worlds, with respect to propaganda, is quite simple. You tend to believe yours ... and we tend to disbelieve ours."
Soviet correspondent based five years in the U.S.
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#59
RE: Disclosure Project - Aliens UFOs
(February 2, 2016 at 5:21 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(February 2, 2016 at 2:00 pm)Alex K Wrote: *Auf dem Fußboden rollen vor Lachen*

Ger flip der flop der boing foygen.

Boru

Prietenul tau este google translate.
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#60
RE: Disclosure Project - Aliens UFOs
Bugger. Scoob has quoted both Richard Nixon and Adolf Hilter.

Dunno about the rest of you lot, but I'm convinced.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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