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RE: Antitheism
February 3, 2016 at 9:33 am
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(February 3, 2016 at 9:23 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: God is a religious concept.
A deistic creator is a meaningless concept.
A computer programmer of a running simulation is not a God. It is simply a computer programmer of a running simulation.
God is a concept in that shows up in -some- religions, most religions even....but god is also a concept that shows up outside of religions. As in deism, which you describe as meaningless..but who cares if you think it's meaningless, that's not what were discussing..mostly because you can;t seem to describe -why- you think that..but also because it's irrelevant. Some people hold these views...religions with no gods, gods with no religions.
Similarly, religion is often associated with a god, but is also found in the absence of a god.
You've confused association for equivalence, that's all. It's not a big deal unless you make it one...........
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RE: Antitheism
February 3, 2016 at 9:38 am
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Quote:You've confused association for equivalence, that's all.
No, I never did. I might have (maybe) phrased it poorly. By which I mean I failed to know my audience(unsophisticated).
Quote:God is a concept in that shows up in -some- religions, most religions even....but god is also a concept that shows up outside of religions. As in deism, which you describe as meaningless..but who cares if you think it's meaningless, that's not what were discussing..mostly because you can;t seem to describe -why- you think that..but also because it's irrelevant. Some people hold these views...religions with no gods, gods with no religions.
That people claim to believe in god absent of any religion is misleading. God is an inherently religious concept and it doesn't make any sense outside of religion.
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RE: Antitheism
February 3, 2016 at 9:42 am
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You keep reasserting that but I'm no closer to understanding what you mean, or why you think so..than I was the first time.
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RE: Antitheism
February 3, 2016 at 9:46 am
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(February 3, 2016 at 9:42 am)Rhythm Wrote: You keep reasserting that but I'm not closer to understanding what you mean, or why you think so..than I was the first time.
Can you have the notion of god without belief in god?
Can you have belief in god without theism?
Can you have theism without religion?
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RE: Antitheism
February 3, 2016 at 9:47 am
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(February 3, 2016 at 9:46 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: (February 3, 2016 at 9:42 am)Rhythm Wrote: You keep reasserting that but I'm not closer to understanding what you mean, or why you think so..than I was the first time.
Can you have the notion of god without belief in god? Yep.
Quote:Can you have belief in god without theism?
Yep.
Quote:Can you have theism without religion?
Yep.
Why? Is this related to an elaboration?
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RE: Antitheism
February 3, 2016 at 9:55 am
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(February 3, 2016 at 9:46 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: Can you have the notion of god without belief in god?
Yep.
Let me better phrase that question. Can you have the notion of god without the notion of belief in God?
If so, how exactly?
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RE: Antitheism
February 3, 2016 at 10:04 am
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I don't know, and it wouldn't be relevant to the disagreement we're having so I don't see why I'd waste the time. Your contention...is that you cannot have god without religion...not that you cannot have the notion of god without the notion of belief in god.
If you've abandoned our only disagreement, then what's left? Do I even need to participate or could you talk to a wall instead?
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RE: Antitheism
February 3, 2016 at 10:11 am
(February 3, 2016 at 10:04 am)Rhythm Wrote: I don't know, and it wouldn't be relevant to the disagreement we're having so I don't see why I'd waste the time. Your contention...is that you cannot have god without religion...not that you cannot have the notion of god without the notion of belief in god.
If you've abandoned our only disagreement, then what's left? Do I even need to participate or could you talk to a wall instead?
It does matter to the disagreement we're having and I didn't abandon it. I'm just taking it one step at a time so you can understand my position.
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RE: Antitheism
February 3, 2016 at 10:13 am
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Then step faster. Show me your doubletime. I don't know, next step?
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Antitheism
February 3, 2016 at 10:17 am
(February 3, 2016 at 6:57 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: (February 3, 2016 at 6:54 am)Evie Wrote: Nope.
I'm mainly against the 3 Abrahamic religions with are theistic. But not because of the theism.
I'll entertain you for now.
Because of what then?
Theism is not the same thing as religion. I mean...duh. EP, I don't understand for the life of me why you are dragging this out; it's just stupid.
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