Antitheism

[Excited Penguin]

Good for you, we can all dictionary hop, of course...and misrepresent even those pet definitions we find....huh?

In any case, your prior objection is invalid, since we all rely on dictionaries to correct our understanding of words.

[LadyForCamus]

No it isn't, as you've been shown in this thread time and time again..by having people link you the definitions.

If -you- define theism as a religion personally (and that's fine) then ofc there can be no theism without religion, it would be tautology.

Religion - ]the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.

I think "and worship of" is where the distinction can be made. I can believe in my fart blowing God, and perhaps love him, without any form of ritualistic worship.

[The Grand Nudger]

In any case, your prior objection is invalid, since we all rely on dictionaries to correct our understanding of words.

My prior objection is -not- that you used a dictionary, nitwit....so you're pretty much babbling at this point.

[LadyForCamus]

I can believe a giant leprechaun created the universe if I want to. That doesn't make it a religion.

[Excited Penguin]

Religion - ]the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.

I think "and worship of" is where the distinction can be made.  I can believe in my fart blowing God, and perhaps love him, without any form of ritualistic worship.  

Yes, but the worship coupled with the belief came first. Deism is relatively new in historical terms. It is by necessity religious in origin.

[The Grand Nudger]

Deism is most definitely not new...not even relatively...and certainly not in historical terms, lol.  Perhaps you're only familiar with the deism of the founding fathers of the US or some shit..you think they were originators?

[Excited Penguin]

Deism is most definitely not new...not even relatively...and certainly not in historical terms, lol.  Perhaps you're only familiar with the deism of the founding fathers of the US or some shit..you think they were originators?

I find it hard to believe that deism preceded theism. But if that's true, then I'm wrong.

[LadyForCamus]

Meaning I don't have to worship it, that is.

[The Grand Nudger]

You'll need more specific definitions for both than those you've previously expressed, if you'd like to look. The various proposals for gods relationship to man, and vv.......are sort of complicated if only for their vast breadth. Understanding whether a god is deistic or theistic (or any of the wide grey area in between) is going to be very difficult unless we describe exactly what we're looking for from the outset.

[LadyForCamus]

I think "and worship of" is where the distinction can be made.  I can believe in my fart blowing God, and perhaps love him, without any form of ritualistic worship.  

Yes, but the worship coupled with the belief came first. Deism is relatively new in historical terms. It is by necessity religious in origin.

So what if it came first? That doesn't change the fact that I can still believe in something and not worship it. What if I say I believe in aliens, and I believe they abduct humans and perform experiments on them? Are you saying that by default my belief in aliens also constitutes my religion? That makes no sense.