Gay, Catholic and Doing Fine

[Cecelia]

The Christian churches are nothing more than big bullies when it comes to homosexuality. Some of the members of said churches choose not to bully. But others, choose to bully very much.

Their favorite tool for bullying is a 2000 year old book written by... well nobody really knows who. But there's no reason for people to believe what was written in that book. The words in it have been spun so much that you wouldn't see so much spinning while watching Fox News.

[Catholic_Lady]

You are entitled to your opinion, of course. No one here is forcing you to believe anything different about sex, especially not me. And I'm sure your daughter is lovely.

I understand that having my views regarding gay sex is pretty much the worst sin around these forums. But I'm not going to lie about my beliefs.

C_L, can I ask what you will do if one of your children is LGBT? Will you tell him or her they should abstain from sex? Will you tell them the Church won't recognize it if he or she gets married? Will you support him or her if they want to have children, via adoption or otherwise?

I would be honest with them about my beliefs. Though I'm sure they will already know them before they come out to me anyway, so once they did come out, I don't see why I would need to reiterate. I would just make sure they knew nothing changes between us.

[rexbeccarox]

C_L, can I ask what you will do if one of your children is LGBT? Will you tell him or her they should abstain from sex? Will you tell them the Church won't recognize it if he or she gets married? Will you support him or her if they want to have children, via adoption or otherwise?

I would be honest with them about my beliefs. Though I'm sure they will already know them before they come out to me anyway, so once they did come out, I don't see why I would need to reiterate. I would just make sure they knew nothing changes between us.

... but you didn't answer the most important question, IMO, about offspring.

[Catholic_Lady]

I would be honest with them about my beliefs. Though I'm sure they will already know them before they come out to me anyway, so once they did come out, I don't see why I would need to reiterate. I would just make sure they knew nothing changes between us.

... but you didn't answer the most important question, IMO, about offspring.

Adoption? 

I wouldn't have a problem with it. I still think the ideal scenario for a child would be with a good mom and dad, but having 2 moms or 2 dads who are good parents is still way better than orphanage or foster homes.

[rexbeccarox]

... but you didn't answer the most important question, IMO, about offspring.

Adoption? 

I wouldn't have a problem with it. I still think the ideal scenario for a child would be with a good mom and dad, but having 2 moms or 2 dads who are good parents is still way better than orphanage or foster homes.

How does that fit in with the church's teachings? Wouldn't that entire relationship be a dealbreaker to get into heaven as far as the church is concerned?

Also, why do you think the ideal scenario is a "mom and dad"? There's quite a bit of positive research on that not being the case.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/24...48320.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_parenting#Consensus

[robvalue]

@CL: Have you considered that your children may not come out to you at all, or even repress their sexuality, knowing what you will think of them?

If they are gay, I can see them having to choose between the church and their happiness.

[Edwardo Piet]

Personally it makes sense to me that "there is a God who created the vast cosmos and yet cares deeply about what a certain species of primate does behind closed doors while naked."

Epic.

I approve of the above post and image.



Lol.

[Brian37]

C_L, can I ask what you will do if one of your children is LGBT? Will you tell him or her they should abstain from sex? Will you tell them the Church won't recognize it if he or she gets married? Will you support him or her if they want to have children, via adoption or otherwise?

I would be honest with them about my beliefs. Though I'm sure they will already know them before they come out to me anyway, so once they did come out, I don't see why I would need to reiterate. I would just make sure they knew nothing changes between us.

You can be as "honest" in your denial as you want, but gays don't need to change, YOU DO.

Your logic is broken, and not only broken, based on an antiquated book, regardless of what kind of "good intent" you think you have. That book explains nothing about human evolution in any scientific sense. You need to change, they don't. Stop making excuses for your own denial.

Humans are very capable of empathy and compassion, but religion takes what is in our evolution and distorts it and twists it to an absurd comic book form. The "compassion" religion claims, isn't for humanity, but for the club, and as you keep demonstrating with your ignorance here, you hide behind "I am not a bad person" "I'm only trying to help", which WE ARE NOT ARGUING.

We keep telling you your BAD logic has an affect on others, regardless of your good intent. And you base your "I'm a good person" on an old book, and do so AFTER admitting you have no evidence for your position.

You have no problem rejecting the sexism of the Quran, and you have no problem agreeing with us that that sexism has no justification, much less a scientific one. You want to believe your sect of Christianity is better, but it is not. What makes you more civil, isn't your belief. What  makes you more civil is that western common law has allowed your REAL evolutionary empathy to override your tribal book. 

YOUR ability to have empathy for others is in YOU, not that book. If you truly want to help gays, then stop making excuses for your own denial. Stop treating them as if they are physically broken, and consider your bad logic is not justified.

[Brian37]

... but you didn't answer the most important question, IMO, about offspring.

Adoption? 

I wouldn't have a problem with it. I still think the ideal scenario for a child would be with a good mom and dad, but having 2 moms or 2 dads who are good parents is still way better than orphanage or foster homes.

More crap. 

Heterosexuals can be horrible parents and since they outnumber gay couples, you have more to worry about with bad heterosexual parents than gay couples with kids. If kids of gay couples have problems, it's because ignorance like yours passes their bigotry onto the kids who in turn bully kids of gay parents.

Family stability is not about gender rolls. Family stability is about quality of time and ECONOMIC stability. 

AND I can speak about bad parenting because my HETEROSEXUAL biological father abandon me and my older brother and older sister and younger sister. And both my father and mother were RELIGIOUS.

Having a religion does not insure family stability. RESOURCES and time spent with kids DOES.

[Edwardo Piet]

Heterosexuals can be horrible parents and since they outnumber gay couples, you have more to worry about with bad heterosexual parents than gay couples with kids.

QFT

I think most parents suck regardless of sexuality or gender (which are completely irrelevant).

There are some good parents out there. They're a rare and wonderful thing.