I'm leaving Ron Paul land

[Jackie]

[Minimalist]

Agree on the last point.

As to the first, what's the effective difference then between Sander's pie-in-the-sky promises and Trump's "Wall?"

I know voters like to be bullshitted.  The problem is afterwards when nothing happens the buyer's remorse is tremendous.

[Lemonvariable72]

Videogame I am much like you. There is one thing you have to understand though. The great past that people like Ron Paul praised never existed. While I like the idea of the gold standard, most of his monetary policy is very 19th century. And on social issues he's uber Christian. That said I do respect more then most because he voted against the Iraq war and the patriot act, and his voting history backs up his talk. In other words he does walk the walk. I respect that even if I disagree with him.

Right, I am reassessing how I feel about his ideas on the Gold Standard or Ending the Federal Reserve.  I'm even giving some serious listens to Paul Krugman who is totally against Paul's ideas and also against people like Peter Schiff who continue to confuse the public and push commodity backed money.  

I'm now seriously considering the idea that Peter Schiff was telling nonsense or misrepresenting himself and I fell for his message. 

I'm also sharing this because I think there are other Ron Paul supporters like me who are leaving for similar reasons.  They also have core beliefs similar to me that are compatible with Bernie Sanders such as ending Corporatism or Oligarchy.  Some might be on the fence on 'Government Healthcare', but our current system is so broken I'm for trying Single Payer.

Works good here in Canada. At this point our economy is reeling and we still have a higher median income. Of course we have our own corruption issues, but we don't have an equivalent to the federal reserve either. The closest equivalent is directly owned by the treasury and is far more conservative. Its why we weathered the recession a lot better. Canadian banks are a lot more conservative and don't flaunt their power as much, not that they have less here.

[Lemonvariable72]

Agree on the last point.

As to the first, what's the effective difference then between Sander's pie-in-the-sky promises and Trump's "Wall?"

I know voters like to be bullshitted.  The problem is afterwards when nothing happens the buyer's remorse is tremendous.

Why you say sanders is pie in the sky? We has been preaching what the rest of the civilized world caught on to years ago.

[Minimalist]

Because this is 'Murrica and as long as the republicunts hold the house of representatives Sanders is not getting anything through.

As an example, Obama put forward a budget proposal that calls for

President Barack Obama sent his final budget request to Congress, a $4.1 trillion proposal for fiscal 2017 that represents his aspirations for curbing climate change, bolstering education and technology while also setting a marker in the political campaign to succeed him. Bloomberg's Erik Wasson reports on "Bloomberg Markets." (Source: Bloomberg)

The republicunts declared it dead on arrival.

[Tiberius]

I'm fully aware what gerrymandering is, it's not some kind of American invention. It doesn't apply to all districts though, not by a long shot. If there's massive voter turnout on Election Day, expect the Democrats to regain control of Congress.

[Minimalist]

[Lemonvariable72]

The major challenge here is that Republicans don't want to govern. They want to play. However many Republicans, especially of the Ron Paul type, are actually in line with sanders on many things. I think he can utilize this, to get the money out of politics. That is the single biggest issue. The key is reaching out to Republicans that are interested governoring and bring them on side. I was recently watching a exchange between inhofe and sanders and I saw something. Republicans in the house actually have some respect for sanders because they know he isn't a flip floppy little bitch.

[Tiberius]

[Minimalist]