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RE: I'm leaving Ron Paul land
February 9, 2016 at 3:17 pm
(February 9, 2016 at 1:46 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:If he can convince the Democrats to do it, and the Democrats regain control of Congress he could do it.
Here is your American Civics Lesson Word for the Day: Gerrymandering.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk...-ever-see/
P.S. Bernie has been around long enough to know this, too.
Now again, ALL politicians in BOTH parties market idealism when they run. They also all know that the real sausage making goes on in congress, Bernie isn't that stupid. The ACA is not perfect, we'd be better off with single payer, but Obama had to deal with the asshole GOP, so he did the best he could. Bernie will be no different as President, but at least he will move the country in a better direction
We still cannot afford a GOP win no matter what.
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RE: I'm leaving Ron Paul land
February 9, 2016 at 5:17 pm
Agree on the last point.
As to the first, what's the effective difference then between Sander's pie-in-the-sky promises and Trump's "Wall?"
I know voters like to be bullshitted. The problem is afterwards when nothing happens the buyer's remorse is tremendous.
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RE: I'm leaving Ron Paul land
February 9, 2016 at 5:30 pm
(February 9, 2016 at 3:09 pm)Videodrome Wrote: (February 9, 2016 at 2:11 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Videogame I am much like you. There is one thing you have to understand though. The great past that people like Ron Paul praised never existed. While I like the idea of the gold standard, most of his monetary policy is very 19th century. And on social issues he's uber Christian. That said I do respect more then most because he voted against the Iraq war and the patriot act, and his voting history backs up his talk. In other words he does walk the walk. I respect that even if I disagree with him.
Right, I am reassessing how I feel about his ideas on the Gold Standard or Ending the Federal Reserve. I'm even giving some serious listens to Paul Krugman who is totally against Paul's ideas and also against people like Peter Schiff who continue to confuse the public and push commodity backed money.
I'm now seriously considering the idea that Peter Schiff was telling nonsense or misrepresenting himself and I fell for his message.
I'm also sharing this because I think there are other Ron Paul supporters like me who are leaving for similar reasons. They also have core beliefs similar to me that are compatible with Bernie Sanders such as ending Corporatism or Oligarchy. Some might be on the fence on 'Government Healthcare', but our current system is so broken I'm for trying Single Payer. Works good here in Canada. At this point our economy is reeling and we still have a higher median income. Of course we have our own corruption issues, but we don't have an equivalent to the federal reserve either. The closest equivalent is directly owned by the treasury and is far more conservative. Its why we weathered the recession a lot better. Canadian banks are a lot more conservative and don't flaunt their power as much, not that they have less here.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
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RE: I'm leaving Ron Paul land
February 9, 2016 at 5:31 pm
(February 9, 2016 at 5:17 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Agree on the last point.
As to the first, what's the effective difference then between Sander's pie-in-the-sky promises and Trump's "Wall?"
I know voters like to be bullshitted. The problem is afterwards when nothing happens the buyer's remorse is tremendous.
Why you say sanders is pie in the sky? We has been preaching what the rest of the civilized world caught on to years ago.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: I'm leaving Ron Paul land
February 9, 2016 at 6:04 pm
Because this is 'Murrica and as long as the republicunts hold the house of representatives Sanders is not getting anything through.
As an example, Obama put forward a budget proposal that calls for
Quote:President Barack Obama sent his final budget request to Congress, a $4.1 trillion proposal for fiscal 2017 that represents his aspirations for curbing climate change, bolstering education and technology while also setting a marker in the political campaign to succeed him. Bloomberg's Erik Wasson reports on "Bloomberg Markets." (Source: Bloomberg)
The republicunts declared it dead on arrival.
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RE: I'm leaving Ron Paul land
February 9, 2016 at 7:24 pm
I'm fully aware what gerrymandering is, it's not some kind of American invention. It doesn't apply to all districts though, not by a long shot. If there's massive voter turnout on Election Day, expect the Democrats to regain control of Congress.
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RE: I'm leaving Ron Paul land
February 9, 2016 at 8:25 pm
<sigh> Again...you DON'T need it in all districts. 51% is sufficient to fuck up the works.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/judge...s-36750506
Quote:Federal judges struck down late Friday two majority black congressional districts in North Carolina, saying race was the predominant factor in drawing those lines but state legislators lacked justification in using that practice.
This is from 4 days ago. The republicunts have already appealed. Hell, they figure they rigged the election fair and square!
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RE: I'm leaving Ron Paul land
February 9, 2016 at 8:53 pm
The major challenge here is that Republicans don't want to govern. They want to play. However many Republicans, especially of the Ron Paul type, are actually in line with sanders on many things. I think he can utilize this, to get the money out of politics. That is the single biggest issue. The key is reaching out to Republicans that are interested governoring and bring them on side. I was recently watching a exchange between inhofe and sanders and I saw something. Republicans in the house actually have some respect for sanders because they know he isn't a flip floppy little bitch.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: I'm leaving Ron Paul land
February 9, 2016 at 9:58 pm
(February 9, 2016 at 8:25 pm)Minimalist Wrote: <sigh> Again...you DON'T need it in all districts. 51% is sufficient to fuck up the works.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/judge...s-36750506
Quote:Federal judges struck down late Friday two majority black congressional districts in North Carolina, saying race was the predominant factor in drawing those lines but state legislators lacked justification in using that practice.
This is from 4 days ago. The republicunts have already appealed. Hell, they figure they rigged the election fair and square!
Don't "sigh" me dude, I'm trying to have a discussion with you here.
I know you don't need all districts, that's not what I said. I said it doesn't apply to all districts...not by a long shot. Meaning, it doesn't affect enough districts to stop a Democrat majority. Do you have evidence to suggest otherwise? If so, present it. Otherwise, don't "sigh" me like I'm some ignorant political newbie. I may be younger than you but that doesn't mean I'm not aware of the political processes in the USA. You always seem to enter these conversations with a condescending attitude that is quite frankly, below you, and it's not doing you any favors if you want to actually have a decent discussion with people.
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RE: I'm leaving Ron Paul land
February 9, 2016 at 11:05 pm
(This post was last modified: February 9, 2016 at 11:08 pm by Minimalist.)
Quote:Do you have evidence to suggest otherwise?
Sure. This chart and simple math.
http://www.270towin.com/2016-house-election/
( Click the box to highlight contested districts.)
There are 435 seats in the House. A majority is 218.
The Democrats have 168 "safe" seats and 14 "likely" for 182 in 2016
The GOP has 204 "safe" seats and 18 "likely" for 222 in 2016. This gives them a majority before even considering the other races.
There are only 31 races classified as "toss-up" or "leaning" in one direction or another. If the democrats swept all 31 (highly unlikely) they still fall short of a majority.
Math is a bitch.
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