The problem of evil/suffering when it comes to children

[Expired]

And I suppose you are not going to question intelligent design in the making of 'defaulty' people.

I do not believe in intelligent design, it has no place in God's creation. Why is it you and all other atheist think God should correct or stop man's cruelty to each other, we made this mess why shouldn't we take the responsibility to clean it up, even if evolution were true shouldn't it be our responsibility? God put each individual here for a purpose and if your'e was to help stop such evil then where have you been. I think you're like most complain and do nothing, this mentality leads to nothing being done and a situation getting worse. You do not know God so there's no way you could possibly understand His awesome love.

GC

So god put serial killers, rapists, child molesters etc here for what purpose? I agree we should be all trying to make the world a better place because your god doesn't seem to be very proactive does he. What pisses me off with you people is how cheap you make life out to be, putting more value on death and the nonsense afterlife. If there is a god he obviously doesn't give two shits about anybody or anything.

[paulpablo]

Talking purely about the original post in the the thread.

I think your argument is presented with faulty logic.

The theist argument is that suffering brings us closer to god.  Or the suffering is all our fault.  Or just simply god works in mysterious ways.

If you believe all these things are true then none of this breaks down when it comes to the suffering of children.

The statement of god working in mysterious ways isn't proven false by children suffering, if you believe in god then it's very mysterious indeed as to why god kills monks and destroys mosques and churches with thunder.

If you believe suffering brings you closer to god then again I don't see how it can be proven false.

I think that there's no logic in believing god works in mysterious ways, or that he works in anyway, or that suffering brings you closer to god.  But I can't say I see any evidence in children suffering that goes against the belief that god works in mysterious ways or suffering brings you closer to him.

[Mr.wizard]

Talking purely about the original post in the the thread.

I think your argument is presented with faulty logic.

The theist argument is that suffering brings us closer to god.  Or the suffering is all our fault.  Or just simply god works in mysterious ways.

If you believe all these things are true then none of this breaks down when it comes to the suffering of children.

The statement of god working in mysterious ways isn't proven false by children suffering, if you believe in god then it's very mysterious indeed as to why god kills monks and destroys mosques and churches with thunder.

If you believe suffering brings you closer to god then again I don't see how it can be proven false.

I think that there's no logic in believing god works in mysterious ways, or that he works in anyway, or that suffering brings you closer to god.  But I can't say I see any evidence in children suffering that goes against the belief that god works in mysterious ways or suffering brings you closer to him.

Well of course there is no evidence against "god works in mysterious ways", it applies to any situation.

[paulpablo]

Talking purely about the original post in the the thread.

I think your argument is presented with faulty logic.

The theist argument is that suffering brings us closer to god.  Or the suffering is all our fault.  Or just simply god works in mysterious ways.

If you believe all these things are true then none of this breaks down when it comes to the suffering of children.

The statement of god working in mysterious ways isn't proven false by children suffering, if you believe in god then it's very mysterious indeed as to why god kills monks and destroys mosques and churches with thunder.

If you believe suffering brings you closer to god then again I don't see how it can be proven false.

I think that there's no logic in believing god works in mysterious ways, or that he works in anyway, or that suffering brings you closer to god.  But I can't say I see any evidence in children suffering that goes against the belief that god works in mysterious ways or suffering brings you closer to him.

Well of course there is no evidence against "god works in mysterious ways", it applies to any situation.

Precisely, it doesn't break down or become non applicable in any situation.

[Mr.wizard]

Well of course there is no evidence against "god works in mysterious ways", it applies to any situation.

Precisely, it doesn't break down or become non applicable in any situation.

But it still does not solve the dilemma of why an Omni benevolent god would allow evil to occur. Its a non-answer, it's the same as saying I don't know.

[God of Mr. Hanky]

Precisely, it doesn't break down or become non applicable in any situation.

But it still does not solve the dilemma of why an Omni benevolent god would allow evil to occur. Its a non-answer, it's the same as saying I don't know.

Yes, it's a perversely dishonest way of saying "I don't know", without having to deal with the obvious problems in one's theistic doctrine.

[paulpablo]

Precisely, it doesn't break down or become non applicable in any situation.

But it still does not solve the dilemma of why an Omni benevolent god would allow evil to occur. Its a non-answer, it's the same as saying I don't know.

If you don't believe in god then there's no dilemma, if you do believe in God there's no dilemma if you do believe God works in mysterious ways, or that suffering brings you closer to God or that you simply don't understand the way God works. If there was a definition of God that says he's a being who lets no living thing physically die or suffer then there would be a dilemma. As far as I can tell there's no claim in the bible, Quran or Torah that God is like that.

[abaris]

But it still does not solve the dilemma of why an Omni benevolent god would allow evil to occur. Its a non-answer, it's the same as saying I don't know.

No, it isn't. Because they have it theologically covered. The christian religion is one of suffering, if you didn't notice before.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Precisely, it doesn't break down or become non applicable in any situation.

But it still does not solve the dilemma of why an Omni benevolent god would allow evil to occur. Its a non-answer, it's the same as saying I don't know.

The evil angels have to have something to do so God has them do evil things.

Pslam 78:49 (KJ21) = "He cast upon them the fierceness of His anger, wrath, indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them."

[God of Mr. Hanky]

Precisely, it doesn't break down or become non applicable in any situation.

But it still does not solve the dilemma of why an Omni benevolent god would allow evil to occur. Its a non-answer, it's the same as saying I don't know.

Not just omnibenevolent, but omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, plus the flawlessness of perfection to boot. With ultimate perfection and greatness come the ultimate responsibility, and ultimately one cannot possibly be all of the above and allow anything evil to happen. A god which lives up to the above claims would not allow bad things to happen anywhere that it has influence because it simply cannot. It does allow evil, therefore the Xtian god is not what is claimed of it.