The problem of evil/suffering when it comes to children

[abaris]

I do not believe in intelligent design, it has no place in God's creation. Why is it you and all other atheist think God should correct or stop man's cruelty to each other, we made this mess why shouldn't we take the responsibility to clean it up, even if evolution were true shouldn't it be our responsibility?
GC

You do realize that the god image comes with many different flavors and aromas. Many of them being intelligent design.

As I said before, I don't argue based on why there's evil in world. It's pointless and the least contradictory of all the god claims. Yes, any god could let it happen for the reasons you or all the other theists give.

My atheism didn't come from there but, as I said, from what we know about the world and in lights of that, the humanistic god not making any sense.

[Godscreated]

If Gaud really wanted this child to live in heaven forever, knowing that the father was going to behave this way toward it, he could have just caused the child to be stillborn or something. If his plan consciously involved the suffering in this kid's life, then he's a monster not worthy of worship. Pure and simple.

I'll ask you too, why is it you believe God should clean up the mess that man has made for himself, actually He has through Christ but that's for another day. I said in my first post I have no idea why God allowed this terrible event to happen, I'm not omniscient. Could it be that God allowed this to move you into action against such horrible events, did you respond, what have you done. The way I see it atheist should stop blaming God for what man has become through the evolution they believe in and don't give me not all atheist believe in evolution, the only other option is God and you title (atheist) removes you from this belief.

And yes, evolution has produced various species that later ate or bred themselves out of existence. Spotted owls spring to mind, but they're not the only example. Coyotes and wolves have started interbreeding in some places, which could eventually lead to the disappearance of one or both species in those areas in favor of a newer, more competitive one. Change is the only constant.

Hey silly, man is destroying the spotted owls habitat, man's fault. Coyotes and wolves have interbreed for thousands of years and yet the two remain, bad example. Only when a coyote finds a lone female wolf will it breed with her and that's rare. Wolves will eat coyotes and any other smaller canine which pretty much covers them all, even my Rotties wouldn't be able to handle a pack of wolves. The wolves and or time will eliminate the cross breeding ut like has happened in the past.

Regardless of how you see it, that child is gone forever, and all he ever knew was pain. The fact that you can simply console yourself with a thought like "Oh, he's in heaven now," is completely revolting and all too common.

Just because you do not believe doesn't mean a thing to the child's eternal life, just your's. Yes it comforts me greatly to know this child no longer suffers at the hand of evil and is with God forever. I would say the reason you find what I believe as revolting is because you know at this point in your life you do not have it.

[Godscreated]

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Yes God allowed this to happen to this child,  why is beyond my understanding. What I do know, this child will live forever in heaven. What if God had stopped this horrible thing and the child grew up to be a non-believer and live an eternal life in hell. Seems to me the short life of this poor child brings him into a greater life for eternity.
Now to address this from an evolutionary point of view. You believe there is no God, so this means that evolution is at fault in making defaulty people. What kind of reasonable evolution is going on that would cause a specie to kill off it's own self and all the others around it. No other species does this and we're the one called the most advanced, of coarse we have labeled ourselves. Never in all the supposed millions of years of evolution has this happened, so ask yourselves why now, does this make the least bit of sense?
The way I see it the all loving God wanted this child to live in heaven forever, and evolution just doesn't care about it's most advanced effort, of coarse evolution cares for nothing. I personally choose God, why because this is a short life, eternity is where it is.

GC

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Evolution; whatever survives passes on its genes. Thats it. Remove this idea that it is a designed process with the purpose of making a perfect being. It is not and you are operating under a false assumption. It is natural selection. Whatever works, works. 
Needless to say that father will not be passing on his genes and other species do kill their children and mates. This does happen in other species but it doesn't happen often percentage wise in any species, including our own, because the genes responsible for that are not conducive to survival or offspring.

Wiping out the human race doesn't work, use your brain, wiping out all other species doesn't work either, that's one reason why evolution holds no water.
Most abused children survive and go on to abuse their children at some point evolution wise this will destroy mankind, why because it's getting worse and man desires material things over loved ones, just look at the top reason for divorce, money honey.

GC

[Godscreated]

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Yes God allowed this to happen to this child,  why is beyond my understanding. What I do know, this child will live forever in heaven. What if God had stopped this horrible thing and the child grew up to be a non-believer and live an eternal life in hell. Seems to me the short life of this poor child brings him into a greater life for eternity.
Now to address this from an evolutionary point of view. You believe there is no God, so this means that evolution is at fault in making defaulty people. What kind of reasonable evolution is going on that would cause a specie to kill off it's own self and all the others around it. No other species does this and we're the one called the most advanced, of coarse we have labeled ourselves. Never in all the supposed millions of years of evolution has this happened, so ask yourselves why now, does this make the least bit of sense?
The way I see it the all loving God wanted this child to live in heaven forever, and evolution just doesn't care about it's most advanced effort, of coarse evolution cares for nothing. I personally choose God, why because this is a short life, eternity is where it is.

GC

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Did you really just make the argument that god was doing the child a favor? That is disgusting!!!!

 You choose god? You would choose to spend an eternity with a monster who tortures children? Says a lot about you I guess.

Go read the replies I've given to others, then ask yourself why am I not helping, why am I setting on my butt blaming instead of taking action.

[Godscreated]

I do not believe in intelligent design, it has no place in God's creation. Why is it you and all other atheist think God should correct or stop man's cruelty to each other, we made this mess why shouldn't we take the responsibility to clean it up, even if evolution were true shouldn't it be our responsibility? God put each individual here for a purpose and if your'e was to help stop such evil then where have you been. I think you're like most complain and do nothing, this mentality leads to nothing being done and a situation getting worse. You do not know God so there's no way you could possibly understand His awesome love.

GC

Wow, that is rich coming from a believer in a religion that praises vicarious redemption, talking to us about taking responsibility, pfft.

I see denial and evil coming forth.Typical!

GC

[Mr.wizard]

Did you really just make the argument that god was doing the child a favor? That is disgusting!!!!

 You choose god? You would choose to spend an eternity with a monster who tortures children? Says a lot about you I guess.

Go read the replies I've given to others, then ask yourself why am I not helping, why am I setting on my butt blaming instead of taking action.

I didn't know it was happening you little prick. The difference between me and your god is if I saw a child being abused I would stop it.

[God of Mr. Hanky]

I do not believe in intelligent design, it has no place in God's creation.

Why is it you and all other atheist think God should correct or stop man's cruelty to each other, we made this mess why shouldn't we take the responsibility to clean it up, even if evolution were true shouldn't it be our responsibility? God put each individual here for a purpose and if your'e was to help stop such evil then where have you been. I think you're like most complain and do nothing, this mentality leads to nothing being done and a situation getting worse. You do not know God so there's no way you could possibly understand His awesome love.

You god is one which your basic church doctrine purports to be both omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, as well as being perfect (whatever that means, but "flawless" is clearly implied). Therefore, such a god must be held himself to the standards of responsibility which go with the above conditions. What sort of a perfect creator permits his creation to go off and make stupid decisions which it could have prevented? No perfect god can exist under the three O's and allow that! Therefore, either your "Free Will" argument is a nicely dressed-up turd, or it's your god who smells of shit.

[robvalue]

I like addressing the moral failings of religion, as I feel it can be more effective. It's about stuff really happening in the real world. It's about choosing not to blindly follow the biggest guy available around.

Some theists literally cannot grasp the idea of God existing and not worshipping it and following its every "word". That's the mindset I like to change, because it's ridiculous. God could show up now and I'd give him the finger. Religion is morally bankrupt, and that's why I want nothing to do with it. Whether there's a real magical man at the centre of it is of secondary concern.

[Redbeard The Pink]

I'll ask you too, why is it you believe God should clean up the mess that man has made for himself, actually He has through Christ but that's for another day. I said in my first post I have no idea why God allowed this terrible event to happen, I'm not omniscient. Could it be that God allowed this to move you into action against such horrible events, did you respond, what have you done. The way I see it atheist should stop blaming God for what man has become through the evolution they believe in and don't give me not all atheist believe in evolution, the only other option is God and you title (atheist) removes you from this belief.

Translation: "It's our fault." Already addressed it (in the OP), but thanks for being predictable. Atheists don't blame god for anything because we don't believe he exists. Get it through your skull.

Hey silly, man is destroying the spotted owls habitat, man's fault.

Hey silly, the Spotted Owl has started interbreeding with the Barred Owl, which is directly impacting its numbers in the wild, so even if we leave its habitat alone, it may still perish due to its breeding habits. They're teaching us all kinds of crazy things in high school biology these days (or at least they were back before I graduated in '06).

Just because you do not believe doesn't mean a thing to the child's eternal life, just your's. Yes it comforts me greatly to know this child no longer suffers at the hand of evil and is with God forever. I would say the reason you find what I believe as revolting is because you know at this point in your life you do not have it.

Just because you believe in eternal life, doesn't change the fact that there is no evidence of such a thing. Children are comforted by thoughts of Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy, but none of those things are real, and you have no evidence that your god is any different.


The reason your beliefs are revolting is that they demand that you point to an ancient, blood-thirsty, pro-war, pro-rape, pro-genocide fictional character as the creator of the Universe and the source of all goodness, love, and morality therein. Your imaginary friend is imaginary, and if he weren't then he would be an evil monster for reasons I have already explained. The fact that you are able to do the mental gymnastics to ignore this is a testament to the damage religion does to people.

[Pat Mustard]

Aaand.... I was gazumped by GC. He's still wondering why I dismiss the sum total of his postings on these fora, and yet he manages to get his idiocy out and start waving it around.

Once again you show off your childish ignorant ways, ranting till it makes you feel good, read the post above this one and use it to help those children instead of setting on you lazy butt.

GC

I love the smell of christers with a persecution complex in the morning. Their whining smells like victory.

When are you ever going to get it into your thick head GC that a) I don't believe in the bullshit you're peddling, b) that I've copped on to the fact that the god you believe would be by his very nature, immoral (if he ever existed) and c) that your whining every time your bullshit is torn a new one makes you look worse? While it is entertaining to see you hoist yourself by your petard, it is beginning to get a bit tedious.