The problem of evil/suffering when it comes to children

[Drich]

But again who are you to say the primse is unfounded?

And who are you, or your brethren in whoo, to say it's founded?

Im going to need alittle more than that quote if you want a real answer.

[abaris]

Im going to need alittle more than that quote if you want a real answer.

Honestly, no.

I've heard your "real" answers already. Simply consider it a rhetorical question, since other than faith and the particular book that comers with it, you never had anything to show for your claims.

[Joods]

What proof do you have of this?

The non religious term for said proof is call "death." Maybe you've heard it said non of us will live forever, that we all die.
To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

Actually, death is only proof of no longer living. There has never been any proof that when you're no longer in your own body, that you're with any god. So, I'd still like to actually see proof instead of an opinion or an argument.

This life is about choice, whether to be with God or spend eternity away from Him. That boy wasn't old enough to make that decision. So I believe that soul was re-routed to another host.

Okay, first of all, according to your god, he has a plan. So, no, there is no choice.

Never said that their is "no choice." I only said their is no 'free will' as the philosphy/doctrine of 'free will' describes. Jesus, Paul the NT all say we are slaves Either to Sin or to God. We have choice in so far as to chose whom or what we serve.

I didn't say YOU said there is no choice. I'm the one who said it because based on your god and every other christian that's talked to me, god has a plan. I didn't say it was your plan, but apparently the majority of christians seem to think god has one. Additionally, free will wasn't mentioned here.  You're bringing that into the conversation without really addressing what I said above.

Second of all, if your god was so great and awesome, he could have spared the boy's life and sent the boy's father to hell for what he did.

To what end? Let's say God did save the boys life, but the beating he took was more than what he could mentally bear.. now this kid/person grows up damaged by this incodent. Not hippy whinny I got spanked as a kid because I was a little bastard all the time, but damaged in such a way as having no hope of living a normal life and can't understand why. It life so precious to you that living as 'damaged goods/being unhappy' is better than death?

Okay, well my mother's third husband beat the shit out of me daily, with a belt, for seven years, while the stupid bitch turned a blind eye and pretended it never happened. By all accounts, I was the family scapegoat and had a fantiastically shitty fucking childhood. Guess what? I don't beat my kids. I don't need to. It's not a necessary form of punishment in my house. So you are automatically assuming that because the little boy suffered physical abuse, that he's not going to live a normal life in the future? Your assumption that as an adult he'd be "damaged goods" is bullshit and furthermore, with a child therapist and the knowledge that his asshole father would get to spend life in prison, no longer hurting him, I'd say the child has a pretty damn good chance of being able to heal and have a normal life. I did. I still am.

So.... That's your argument here? Rather than actually addressing what I stated, this is what you turn to for a response?  Have you ever read the book called A Boy Called Dave? That man suffered unimaginable abuse at the hands of his mother. He was forced to drink bleach and forced to live in a crate. He grew up into a man and wrote a few books about his abuse. If I recall correctly, he went on to become a dad himself and is doing very well, considering that he was nearly killed at the hands of his mother.

Why would God make this person suffer if he can simply pull the boy from that situation and plug him back in some place else, with no damage, no residual from the beatings he took?

EXACTLY WHAT I'D LOVE TO KNOW. Not surprisingly, instead of providing a decent answer, you come up with this:

The reason 2 dimensional people do not like this option because they have no control or say over how and when this happens. It is a reminder that 'control' is not theirs to have. For a 2 dimensional person it is better to live life as a vegetable than to trust God to simply follow His nature.

Bold mine.
For starters, what option are you talking about? And second: Any god who stands by and refuses to do nothing, while an innocent child gets beaten to death is NOT a god that will ever get me to trust in him. If allowing people to suffer, is part of his "nature", he's a piece of trash cuntbag and people are idiots for believing in such a god.

Third - how can you say that your god called the boy home and then turn around and claim that his soul was sent to another host?

Again this is what I personally think based on what has been written. There are several instances in the bible where people have been/will be reincarnated. couple that with what the bible says our purpose in life is, then consider that a young Child has/can not full fill this stated purpose. Equals "being plugged back into another life." But again I have nothing directly supporting this, just personal speculation based on what God has done, is prophesied to do, and coupled with His nature and stated purpose of our existence pushes one conclusion.

Bold mine
The first honest thing (talking about the bolded section) I think I've ever seen you post. However, you still don't really answer the question. Aside from your opinion, you say this:

That said, God could just as easily give the kid a free pass into eternity.

blue is mine.

To which I reply, that if your god was real, he could have just as easily removed the child from harm and allowed him to live.

[Redbeard The Pink]

Where have you been? I made the transition from "Pinky" to Stinky like 4 or 5 posts ago.

Yes, and it was very clever.

That's the thing.. Their is evidence. evidence in the testimonies of the people who went home and came back. I can tell you for them/us nothing more ever need be provided. Not only that God has not top shelved this evidence, He offers it to anyone who will simply humble themselves and A/S/K for it.

If you do not have it it is because you have not A/S/K God for it.

Ok boys and girls, we're gonna sing the "That Isn't Evidence Song" now! Ready?


Anecdotal testimony about personal hallucinations are not evidence for your god unless they're also evidence for Krishna, Zeus, and every other magical being you don't believe in. Every religion has personal testimonies that get touted as evidence. Yours is not special.

And again, you too could also see this transformation. God has not reserved what he has given me to a few, but to everyone who approaches him on His terms.

Yes, I'm sure if I were to suspend all critical thinking faculties I could see all kinds of things.

Indeed. It is found in the testimonies of those who gone and come back and we have confirmation in Scripture.

Again, testimony isn't evidence, and scripture is the claim, so it isn't evidence either.

The bible does not directly speak of this specific boy.

However In Hebrews 4:12 We are told that Christ Himself (The Word of God/A name given to Christ in John 1:1)
12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.

In the end Christ will determine what this boy did and did not know and what he is responsible for.

And there go the goalposts again.


There is nothing in that verse about exactly how old or cognizant a person must be before Gaud judges them responsible for their own actions. You still don't have any support for the assertion that this kid wasn't old enough to be judged and found wanting by Gaud.

There are several examples in scripture of reincarnation.
I mentioned them in the above post.

I don't remember seeing any, but there might be.


Here's the more important question, though: do you have any examples from reality?