Could atheist westerners, please explain?

[God of Mr. Hanky]

Something bad is happening in the world on account of powerful people in a country where more people than those who voted in the last POTUS election want to make a theocracy out of, therefore blame it on the atheists. Makes sense.

[robvalue]

I guess we're running the asylum...? But we're severely understaffed. The inmates took over long ago.

Lumping all atheists together like this is exactly the sort of thing Atlas doesn't want us to do with him and ISIS.

[WinterHold]

LastPoet, mh.brewer, robvalue.

I can say I made a mistake.
Directing the question towards "secular people" is more convenient.

In my head I always count secularism as a thing that only atheists would believe in.
But that's plain wrong.

AFTT74

You can't be left alone when you invade a land that isn't yours.
Jews are something, and Zionist invaders who came when britain occupied the land are something else.

pocaracas

You have a point.

Minimalist

It's no secret that Zionist leaders who encouraged the existence of Israel were self hating and wanted to get rid of the Jewish ghettos around Europe.

The capable ones immigrated to America and other places. Palestine was for the Jews coming from ghettos.

crossless1


It has to match the prophecy, of course. I guess the core of the immigrants was extremely religious; and that didn't play in the favor of Israel.

Muslims too have that prophecy, and we all know how it will end. Jews, Christians, Muslims, everybody knows.

Wyrd of Gawd

My believe is that ISIS is.
The Israeli Shabak & Mossad, have always been capable of penetrating Arabs, they speak the language, they look like Arabs, so it's easy to confuse an agent screaming "Allahu Akbar !!" for a Jihadist.

How many ISIS Sunni recruits were led to battle under a Mossad officer with a beard? I truly wonder..
It would be so hilarious for extremists on the Sunni/Shia side, to discover that their leadership is actually Shabak or Mossad xD

I will lol and cry, a lot.

Boru

I always believe that there are good people. I never denied that.
Even inside Israel, there are Jews who care, and speak for the violations of the state.

One thing Muslims need to get: is that despite the acts of Israel, hate must not engulf our hearts.
But with every crime taking place by the Israeli regime, the warmongers on our side get more fuel to the hate propaganda.

[robvalue]

OK, good on for you admitting the mistake.

So now I must ask, what does it have to do with secular people? Aren't they by definition the ones looking to end conflicts like this?

Theists can be secularists, even if they're not secular. I hope, eventually, most theists go that way.

What do you want us to explain?

[ReptilianPeon]

[FebruaryOfReason]

A million people in Britain marched against the second Iraq war. Are they morally responsible for the deaths in that conflict?

One of the main things that escalates war is people's willingness to transfer moral responsibility for the actions of a small group of people to all of the people who share a common characteristic with the culprits. A Jew did this, therefore it's the fault of all Jews. A Muslim did this, therefore all Muslims are scum, etc.

We sleep at night precisely because we know this.

Oh, and our God lets us drink alcohol, which helps.

[Cato]

Anyone feeling dismayed that they can do fuck all about squatters with an inferior god should strongly consider getting another god.

[J a c k]

I'm secular.

I didn't do it!

That's how I sleep at night. Not much else to add.

[robvalue]

I do have trouble getting to sleep sometimes knowing all the horrible stuff that is going on in the world that I'm powerless to stop.

I try to focus on doing what I can to help, and not letting the rest of it grind me down so that I'm no use to anyone.

[WinterHold]