Could atheist westerners, please explain?

[God of Mr. Hanky]

Something bad is happening in the world on account of powerful people in a country where more people than those who voted in the last POTUS election want to make a theocracy out of, therefore blame it on the atheists. Makes sense.

[robvalue]

I guess we're running the asylum...? But we're severely understaffed. The inmates took over long ago.

Lumping all atheists together like this is exactly the sort of thing Atlas doesn't want us to do with him and ISIS.

[WinterHold]

LastPoet, mh.brewer, robvalue.

I can say I made a mistake.
Directing the question towards "secular people" is more convenient.

In my head I always count secularism as a thing that only atheists would believe in.
But that's plain wrong.

AFTT74

You can't be left alone when you invade a land that isn't yours.
Jews are something, and Zionist invaders who came when britain occupied the land are something else.

pocaracas

You have a point.

Minimalist

It's no secret that Zionist leaders who encouraged the existence of Israel were self hating and wanted to get rid of the Jewish ghettos around Europe.

The capable ones immigrated to America and other places. Palestine was for the Jews coming from ghettos.

crossless1


It has to match the prophecy, of course. I guess the core of the immigrants was extremely religious; and that didn't play in the favor of Israel.

Muslims too have that prophecy, and we all know how it will end. Jews, Christians, Muslims, everybody knows.

Wyrd of Gawd

My believe is that ISIS is.
The Israeli Shabak & Mossad, have always been capable of penetrating Arabs, they speak the language, they look like Arabs, so it's easy to confuse an agent screaming "Allahu Akbar !!" for a Jihadist.

How many ISIS Sunni recruits were led to battle under a Mossad officer with a beard? I truly wonder..
It would be so hilarious for extremists on the Sunni/Shia side, to discover that their leadership is actually Shabak or Mossad xD

I will lol and cry, a lot.

Boru

I always believe that there are good people. I never denied that.
Even inside Israel, there are Jews who care, and speak for the violations of the state.

One thing Muslims need to get: is that despite the acts of Israel, hate must not engulf our hearts.
But with every crime taking place by the Israeli regime, the warmongers on our side get more fuel to the hate propaganda.

[robvalue]

OK, good on for you admitting the mistake.

So now I must ask, what does it have to do with secular people? Aren't they by definition the ones looking to end conflicts like this?

Theists can be secularists, even if they're not secular. I hope, eventually, most theists go that way.

What do you want us to explain?

[ReptilianPeon]

If we want to talk about oppression that's not talked about enough, let's talk about West Papua. Indonesia is bullying the natives to take their natural resources and their land. Indonesia should get off of New Guinea and let the jungle people have their land back. Indonesia invaded New Guinea and the Americas supported it.



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7bOOMwtRj7M

P.S. This makes Indonesia hypocrites when they support Palestine.

[FebruaryOfReason]

A million people in Britain marched against the second Iraq war. Are they morally responsible for the deaths in that conflict?

One of the main things that escalates war is people's willingness to transfer moral responsibility for the actions of a small group of people to all of the people who share a common characteristic with the culprits. A Jew did this, therefore it's the fault of all Jews. A Muslim did this, therefore all Muslims are scum, etc.

We sleep at night precisely because we know this.

Oh, and our God lets us drink alcohol, which helps.

[Cato]

Anyone feeling dismayed that they can do fuck all about squatters with an inferior god should strongly consider getting another god.

[J a c k]

I'm secular.

I didn't do it!

That's how I sleep at night. Not much else to add.

[robvalue]

I do have trouble getting to sleep sometimes knowing all the horrible stuff that is going on in the world that I'm powerless to stop.

I try to focus on doing what I can to help, and not letting the rest of it grind me down so that I'm no use to anyone.

[WinterHold]

Ignoramous

They are not progressing, because they burned their holly book and tried to be nationalists; like the British.
After all, the history of Arabia has wonders.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._E._Lawrence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Darin

If the Quran is practiced, peace and prosperity would've rule not just us, but the whole world, people would've immigrated to Muslim lands instead of secular lands, nuclear weapons would've never existed, but hey, nationalism ruins history, as Goeth said once..

TheRocketSurgeon

All I think about when imagining Texas is bikers and shooting people  with revolvers, and Daryl  Dixon from AMC's the walking dead
Believe it or not TRS, I think life in Texas would be amazing

MrNoMorePropaganda

Hamas are "Muslim Brotherhood"; so I have my concerns regarding them, but I don't think they were Mossad-made, I believe they did fight the war for the people, I need evidence, MNMP.

The Muslim Brotherhood showed suspicious behavior in Egypt & Turkey.

Fatah, on the other hand, did a lot for Israel in my opinion. They even suppressed the people of the region, and kept the west bank safe from revolts.

The housing process it exactly a repetition for American history: the spaniards burned native culture after all (there in the south), but forced conversion doesn't exist in the case of palestine, and the madness of Zionism and extreme Jewish mentality can show its essence right here: Muslims are not native Americans, Mayans neither are they isolated tribes. Trying to repeat the American imperialistic experience would be a disaster in the Middle East. It's gonna get bloody.

About that picture:female warriors exist, a fact that is, the difference though is the cause.
There is no shame in carrying a weapon to defend yourself But indeed it's disaster if you carry it to play God against the innocent.


Constable dorfel

And here is why I asked the question. A secular post WW2 UN, which neglected religion and claimed to be non-religious, was the first to allow religious fanatics to create a caliphate with a religious symbol in the middle of its flag.

robvalue

It's all about linking secularism with atheist from my perspective; that's how my brain is wired for the meantime.
I need to extend my understanding for lots of things, and that's for sure.

Ah, about secularism, my theory and observation (which are based on the events from ww2 until now), tells me that secularism is interest-derived: in other words, human rights are not practiced but because it brings an interest; if violence for example would bring a bigger interest, then to be it.

The foreign policy of many secular states were just like that. If we started by comparing the Soviet Union to any western-Europe states like Germany & France, we'll see the difference in the tactics; the west uses human rights to win battles, the soviet union went with the Stalin-like mentality of war-first; it lost.

In cases of Iraq, for example, human rights are not needed: actually it will make the western forces lose (britain and America), so bring the AC-130s and torture Iraqies in Abu-Ghuraib, and throw human rights from the window.

It's all about interest. That is what secularism is to me.

FebruaryOfReason

Nationalism makes it look that way; that all the British are the same.
If I didn't believe that there are good people out there, I wouldn't be here.

Anyhow, the small minority must act still against the hordes that advocate evil. We must call for virtues, and stand together against evil, the small minority can then defeat the bigger one, with the idea spreading like fire in a swarm of moth.

I'm not generalizing.
But we can do better than this, all of us.