My views on objective morality

[Whateverist]

If we were to magically become paralyzed every time we wanted to do something bad, then we wouldn't really have free will or bodily autonomy.

I value the rapists bodily autonomy -far- less than the little girl.  Apparently you and god disagree.  You can both go fuck yourselves on that count, freely.

Ouch.  Harsh.  Stop being mean to my favorite Catholic.  Remember she and God work in mysterious ways .. and know where you live though only one of them has a track record of messing people up.  (See Job.)

[Catholic_Lady]

Then perhaps you should stop prevaricating over free will anytime you respond to peoples comments regarding that thing you think is horrible?  God does less while in a position to do much more than any person on these boards, for absolutely no reason, with absolutely no excuse, and this from the author of morality, according -to you-.  A rapists bodily autonomy is worth more than whatever the victim has lost, more than whatever they suffer, according -to you-.  Rape is "made right"...somehow, according -to you-.

You're making yourself exceedingly clear.  Who's confused?

Yes, exactly this. It's rape apologetics.

Rob, if you think that's what I'm doing, you are severely misunderstanding me. Remember, I'm the person who said rape is objectively immoral.

[The Grand Nudger]

-then stop making excuses for your god when it comes to rape?

@Whatev, have you ever known me to pull a punch on christard nonsense? You're right though, I'd better watch my mouth or god might watch me get raped...like he does everyone else, fuckin perv.

[Whateverist]

Yeah., everything will be made right...except that whole 11 year old getting syphilis while being raped bit.  Make that right.  Again, go fuck yourself.  I don't know why you're babbling about god letting us make decisions, let the rapist make his decision all day long, don't let him rape the little girl.

What I meant is that everything will be made right in the long run. As in, in eternity.

The main thing is that this is what you believe, whether it is true or not.  I of course think shit happens and its no one's fault except the rapist in this case and perhaps the societal milieu in which he (or she .. wouldn't that be great if weren't actually just us guys everytime?) was raised.

Does your belief that there will be long term consequences for the rapist prevent you from doing everything you can humanly do here and now to keep safe the 11 year old girl Rhythm is threatening with rape in his imagination?

[robvalue]

I appreciate you don't think that's what you're doing CL, but it is exactly what you're doing. It's the fact you can't see it that is terrifying.

I'm going to abandon this thread now.

[Catholic_Lady]

What I meant is that everything will be made right in the long run. As in, in eternity.

The main thing is that this is what you believe, whether it is true or not.  I of course think shit happens and its no one's fault except the rapist in this case and perhaps the societal milieu in which he (or she .. wouldn't that be great if weren't actually just us guys everytime?) was raised.

Does your belief that there will be long term consequences for the rapist prevent you from doing everything you can humanly do here and now to keep safe the 11 year old girl Rhythm is threatening with rape in his imagination?

My bold. 

Absolutely not.

[The Grand Nudger]

Can you explain why your god fails to do what you would? Why you pass this -basic- test of empathy, love and kindness, whereas your god has failed for countless women and children over the eons? Predictably, reliably, unerringly? In his perfect goodness, his perfect love, his immense power and ability? His grand cosmic plan, in his foreknowledge, by the very system and creatures he built, first, and then watched..passively, from on high?

[LadyForCamus]

I know that you personally understand that rape is horrible, CL. But making excuses for why God has set up his own creations to have the desire, motivation, opportunity, and ability to rape each other ("he has his reasons") is in a way excusing the act it's self. What possible reason could there be? It leads to a dangerous way of thinking. It leads to a diminished appreciation for human suffering.

Chinese women who put their new born baby girls in trees to die of exposure told themselves it was okay, because there was a "plan"; that the babies would be reincarnated without any memories of their short, tortured lives.

Saying "this seems fucked up, but what do I know," is a slippery slope. How many Germans probably said that to themselves?

[Whateverist]

God does less while in a position to do much more than any person on these boards, for absolutely no reason, with absolutely no excuse, and this from the author of morality, according -to you-.

This God guy sounds like one rat bastard of a guy. Somebody get the pitch forks while I light the torches. 

A rapists bodily autonomy is worth more than whatever the victim has lost, more than whatever they suffer, according -to you-.  Rape is "made right"...somehow, according -to you-.  Or maybe you just fear blasphemy...you'd prefer to toe a terrible line regarding rape rather than imperil your own immortal soul or appear weak in faith in front of the crowd by speaking ill against the man upstairs?

I'm not seeing how the manner in which she holds horrible acts makes her to blame in any way. Shit happens and she chooses to see it as part of a grand plan not all of which we are aware of. Highly unlikely to me but hey some people believe that sort of thing. Others smoke too much dope or drink a lot. I don't see how it is an issue if it does't lead her to act or support legislation which actually favors the rapist over the rapee. I don't see where she has done this.

Why blame Cathy for the little girl you keep threatening to rape in your imagination?

[Catholic_Lady]

I appreciate you don't think that's what you're doing CL, but it is exactly what you're doing. It's the fact you can't see it that is terrifying.

I'm going to abandon this thread now.

I don't condone rape. I could argue that I'm against rape more than anyone here, since I'm the only person who thinks rape is objectively immoral, verses just a matter of opinion. But I won't do that because I know that everyone here is just as appalled by rape as I am, and in the grand scheme of things, that's what matters most. Even if you don't consider it objectively immoral.  

I believe God gave us free will, which is the freedom to choose to do good things, or evil things. Rape is an evil thing. But we have the physical ability to rape because we have free will. Nonetheless, I believe no one should do it under any circumstance, no matter who they are or what their culture says. 

^I don't see how that makes me "terrifying", but that that is what I believe and if you can't accept that then there's nothing else I can do. Ive always considered you a friend here, Rob. I hope you will still consider me a friend, and I hope you can stop saying I'm into doing "apologetics for rape," because that is a very incriminating accusation to make at someone and it really bothers me coming from someone who I consider a forum buddy.