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YouTube: 5 Questions Every Intelligent Atheist MUST Answer
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RE: YouTube: 5 Questions Every Intelligent Atheist MUST Answer
(July 18, 2010 at 2:25 pm)Eilonnwy Wrote: Once the dude said you must answer intuitively to something her targets at "Intelligent" atheist, my eyes rolled.

Intuition =/= intelligence in fact, intuition so often leads us wrongly. Many objective facts are very counter-intuitive.

Oh and fuck him for suggesting intelligent people must go to college.

Edit: Watching more of this, his "attitude" is rather smarmy. And by calling evolution Darwinism tells me all I ever need to know about this guy.

I agree. What a moron he is.
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#12
RE: YouTube: 5 Questions Every Intelligent Atheist MUST Answer
I'm sorry ??

WHY should I answer anything ??

Get a grip and get on with your life....

That is all Devil
"The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
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#13
RE: YouTube: 5 Questions Every Intelligent Atheist MUST Answer
The video wont load for me, but something tells me I'm not missing much.
binnyCoffee
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#14
RE: YouTube: 5 Questions Every Intelligent Atheist MUST Answer
(July 22, 2010 at 12:00 pm)binny Wrote: The video wont load for me, but something tells me I'm not missing much.

oh nothing much... just a smug theist with his outdated opinions.

but, you can try this - ;"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTYe_V2hOZ4&feature=player_embedded"
"We need not a God; just another human being to give life a meaning. For people are truly all people have" author unknown

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#15
RE: YouTube: 5 Questions Every Intelligent Atheist MUST Answer
The errors started even before he asked the questions:

(1) He assumed that intelligent atheists must have had a college education.
I'm an intelligent atheist who left school in year ten at age sixteen.

(2) He says the answers must make sense in an intuitive way.
Intuition is perception independent of any reasoning process - so no guarantee that it will make sense.

(3) He says there are problems in the atheistic belief system.
I am an atheist who lacks belief in god - and that's an end of it. There is no atheistic belief system. Put two atheists together and it is possible they will disagree on almost every subject you care to mention. The only thing common to all atheists is a lack of belief in god.

(4) He says Richard Dawkins coined the phrase "God of the Gaps"
It was first used by Henry Drummond in the 19th century, and used by many others long before Dawkins was born. The phrase came into common usage in 1955 when Dawkins was only 13 years old!

Other people have answered the five questions, so I won't bother.
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RE: YouTube: 5 Questions Every Intelligent Atheist MUST Answer
(July 18, 2010 at 4:16 am)Scott Richens Wrote: 5 Questions Every Intelligent Atheist MUST Answer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTYe_V2hOZ4&sns=fb

I want to know how you guys would debunk these 5 questions...

i believe morality is not just something that keeps us alive. but keeps us alive COMFORTABLY . also how can we tell what marks or intelligent design are when are intelligent design is given to us by what we see? we're mimicking, not designing
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#17
RE: YouTube: 5 Questions Every Intelligent Atheist MUST Answer
1) Aren't you using chance in the exact same way in which you accuse christians?
To some extent, yes, however the universe itself is a cache of probabilities and unlimited testtubes that allow an infinite amount of chances and circumstances. Not to say that chance is entirely responsible for everything. Chance isn't a force, it is an amount of time in which circumstances either happen or do not. So for everything that exists in the universe to exist some things happened while others did not over the course of billions of years giving us what exists today.


2) why should there be something instead of nothing? I don't really understand the "should" part of the question. If life did not begin on this planet, it would have happened somewhere else. 100 billion stars per galaxy with 100 billion galaxies in the known universe give an immense amount of permutations for planetary evolution. Life exists here because things were just right at the right time, however the fact that does exist does not mean that at some point in history it could have not existed. Our planet has a very violent past and any number of events throughout the ages could have eradicated life from this planet. This is very likely what happened on Mars, somewhere in it's early stages some cataclysm occurred making it a dry and inhospitable planet.


3) Where do you get your morals from?
Family and society. Morality is a product of civilization. If a child is raised amongst animals that child will grow up with only the basic instincts for survival, morality will have nothing to do with it. However in modern societies we are bound by a code of ethics that stems from that civilization itself. We have to live together, so morals are basic rules we must live by to do so peacefully.


4) How did morals evolve?
It probably began biologically as a herd mentality. However it wasn't fully recognized until we began to build villages that consisted beyond family members.


5) Can nature generate complex organisms, in the sense of originating it, when previously there was none?
It has, so yes. If you look at all the life that we know existed throughout history, you will see one evolutionary chain of species grow more and more complex. There were dinosaurs near the end of their reign 65 million years ago that were the apex of that particular species. T-Rex for example was an apex predator, far better at it than it's predecessors. The T-Rex was bigger, stronger, had a more powerful bite, had a better sense of smell, and had better vision than any tyrannosaur before it. Parasaurolophus I think it was had a complex vocal labyrinth in it's crown allowing for complicated sound production that did not exist before it. It's why sharks and alligators most likely will not evolve beyond their current state, and have not for the most part. They are highly specialized, highly complex species.
"In our youth, we lacked the maturity, the decency to create gods better than ourselves so that we might have something to aspire to. Instead we are left with a host of deities who were violent, narcissistic, vengeful bullies who reflected our own values. Our gods could have been anything we could imagine, and all we were capable of manifesting were gods who shared the worst of our natures."-Me

"Atheism leaves a man to sense, to philosophy, to natural piety, to laws, to reputation; all of which may be guides to an outward moral virtue, even if religion vanished; but religious superstition dismounts all these and erects an absolute monarchy in the minds of men." – Francis Bacon
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RE: YouTube: 5 Questions Every Intelligent Atheist MUST Answer
I have kind of had this hypothesis that obviously morals have been around forever because we need to work together in order to survive. And at some point theist's used this notion as a way to to govern morals and push their opinions on others.

Morals -> god -> moral control

I don't know if I am accurately depicting what I am thinking. So if it sounds like nonsense, please ignore. Big Grin
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#19
RE: YouTube: 5 Questions Every Intelligent Atheist MUST Answer
It's a survival tactic, but it would be beyond a family thing. Look at what we consider morality. Fidelity, honesty, integrity, compassion, all of them are about one person or group getting along with another person or group, it's about avoiding conflict. As society has progressed, human dignity has come into the equation, how we treat other people are considered part of the moral fiber, it went from being a social imparative to an unspoken code of conduct. There's clear progression throughout history.
"In our youth, we lacked the maturity, the decency to create gods better than ourselves so that we might have something to aspire to. Instead we are left with a host of deities who were violent, narcissistic, vengeful bullies who reflected our own values. Our gods could have been anything we could imagine, and all we were capable of manifesting were gods who shared the worst of our natures."-Me

"Atheism leaves a man to sense, to philosophy, to natural piety, to laws, to reputation; all of which may be guides to an outward moral virtue, even if religion vanished; but religious superstition dismounts all these and erects an absolute monarchy in the minds of men." – Francis Bacon
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