Overthrowing oppressive regimes by military force

[Wyrd of Gawd]

But the economy would have improved very fast once the US started its world conquest, just like it did as a result of WWII.

World conquest in 1933?  Be serious.

We had been planning for WWII since the 1920s.  It could have happened.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Why do you have such a problem with historical events?  The article shows that people thought that FDR would be the preferred choice for world dictator.  He didn't act on it directly but we are still coping with the things he did, especially in the Middle East.  On the domestic front he was as much of a racist as Woodrow Wilson.  His wife covered it up.  If it hadn't been for her he probably would have brought back slavery.  He did absolutely nothing to integrate the country.  If he  had become world dictator it would have been hell on Earth.

Why don't you read some actual history - don't be scared now, actually learning something isn't all that bad!

Don't you think FDR would have made a great world dictator?  Look how long he lasted in the US.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Why do you have such a problem with historical events?  The article shows that people thought that FDR would be the preferred choice for world dictator.  He didn't act on it directly but we are still coping with the things he did, especially in the Middle East.  On the domestic front he was as much of a racist as Woodrow Wilson.  His wife covered it up.  If it hadn't been for her he probably would have brought back slavery.  He did absolutely nothing to integrate the country.  If he  had become world dictator it would have been hell on Earth.

Why don't you read some actual history - don't be scared now, actually learning something isn't all that bad!

A lot of the world would have gladly accepted FDR as their dictator.

http://www.nisk.k12.ny.us/fdr/fdr_foreign/33040803.GIF

[Thumpalumpacus]

Lol, look at WoG, the Artless Dodger.

[Minimalist]

World conquest in 1933?  Be serious.

We had been planning for WWII since the 1920s.  It could have happened.

We had an astounding isolationist movement going on.  We had to be blasted into WW2...




in case you forgot.

[Aractus]

Question thrown right back at you. What history did you learn? Hitler without the conservative support to get him appointed by Hindenburg would have never been able to form a stable government. Virtually every other party was opposed to him.

You said Hitler wasn't elected, he was - end of story. If your claim is that the NAZIs were not elected that's a different claim, but again I'd point out to you that they were the largest party and had achieved a higher party vote than any other party in all elections up until 1933, therefore they were elected to govern. The people expected them to form governance once elected.

You'll need to link to a citation for this ridiculous claim of yours.  Hitler never was in any parliament.  The only office Hitler ever held was Chancellor -- an executive and not legislative position -- gained by appointment from Hindenburg.

That's a gross simplification. People didn't vote for individual candidates, they voted for parties. Hitler got in by taking one of the seats that the NAZI party won in the 1933 election. He was elected into office. And as far as I know he held a parliamentary seat since 1925 - he was known as the leader of the NAZI party are you saying the leader didn't have a seat in parliament until 1933? Where's your evidence?

So what that he was appointed Chancellor? That's how a parliamentarian in Australia becomes Prime Minister, it's hardly unusual, the fact is he was elected, he held a seat, he led the party, his party formed governance and as part of forming governance he was appointed Chancellor.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

We had been planning for WWII since the 1920s.  It could have happened.

We had an astounding isolationist movement going on.  We had to be blasted into WW2...




in case you forgot.

In the 1920s we knew that we would have a war with Japan at some time in the future.  That's why we had the B29 ready to go when WWII started.  On the flip side the Brits thought that they would be fighting us instead of the Germans.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.ht...838C639EDE
October 27, 1927
ENVISIONS US FIGHTING BRITAIN AND JAPAN; Lieut. Commander Kenworthy Predicts England Will Head Union of Distrust of America.

[ DISPLAYING ABSTRACT ]
Possibility of war between the United States and Great Britain, with Japan as a British ally and Canada neutral, is seen in the not distant future by Lieut. Commander J.M. Kenworthy, M.P., in his book, "Peace or War," soon to be published in this country, says The Associated Press.

SAYS JAPAN IS ARMING AGAINST US AND EUROPE; French Writer, Home From Far East, Is Convinced That Big War Is Threatened.
PERMISSIONS
Special Cable to THE NEW YORK TIMES. ();
July 03, 1926,

[Thumpalumpacus]

Question thrown right back at you. What history did you learn? Hitler without the conservative support to get him appointed by Hindenburg would have never been able to form a stable government. Virtually every other party was opposed to him.

You said Hitler wasn't elected, he was - end of story.

No, he wasn't.

I definitely want a citation for this now. Put up or shut up.

If your claim is that the NAZIs were not elected that's a different claim, but again I'd point out to you that they were the largest party and had achieved a higher party vote than any other party in all elections up until 1933, therefore they were elected to govern. The people expected them to form governance once elected.

I'd suggest you learn English as well as history, because I never wrote that NaZis weren't elected.

You'll need to link to a citation for this ridiculous claim of yours.  Hitler never was in any parliament.  The only office Hitler ever held was Chancellor -- an executive and not legislative position -- gained by appointment from Hindenburg.

That's a gross simplification. People didn't vote for individual candidates, they voted for parties. Hitler got in by taking one of the seats that the NAZI party won in the 1933 election.

No, he didn't. Hitler got in through machinations involving the above-mentioned von Papen. Hitler never ran for a Parliament seat, never sat in Parliament, never cast a Parliament vote.

Hitler was appointed by Hindenberg on 30 Jan 1933 as a result of a scheme by Schliecher which went awry. This twaddle about Hitler holding a Parliament seat is the product of an uneducated person who has supped at the pigtrough of common discourse and hasn't bothered to check facts for himself. Hitler was never a legislator.

Pity you.

He was elected into office. And as far as I know he held a parliamentary seat since 1925 - he was known as the leader of the NAZI party are you saying the leader didn't have a seat in parliament until 1933? Where's your evidence?

lol, my evidence is history. He was banned from politics at all in 1925 as a result of the Beer Hall Putsch until 1927.

At this point you really need to quote and link reputable sources.

And I'm saying that Hitler never, I repeat never, sat in the Reichstag. "As far as I know" -- you clearly don't know shit from shinola on this topic.

So what that he was appointed Chancellor?

Well, there's that little point where you said he had been elected, in contravention to all the facts we have at hand.

That's how a parliamentarian in Australia becomes Prime Minister, it's hardly unusual, the fact is he was elected, he held a seat, he led the party, his party formed governance and as part of forming governance he was appointed Chancellor.

Well, you do realize we're not talking about Australia, right, Bumpkin? We're talking about ... wait for it ... an entirely different country. Wait, you mean other countries don't do things like Australians? Are you kidding me?! What a fucking idiot. Let me repeat that: what a fucking idiot.

I'll wait for you to actually research the topic, learn a little about it, and link to your sources for the incorrect claims. He was not elected to any office, he held no seat in the Reichstag, and his accession to the Chancellorship was not a result of any parliamentary action but as a result of a Presidential appointment. Indeed, Article 53 of the Weimar Constitution stipulates that the Chancellorship, which was Hitler's title from Jan 33 to Aug 34, must be appointed by the President -- i.e., Hindenburg.

Forgive my laughter as I hand you a shovel, but really, the hole you're digging is comical. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

Go fetch your citations, now. I'll wait for your acknowledgement of error.

[Thumpalumpacus]

World conquest in 1933?  Be serious.

We had been planning for WWII since the 1920s.  It could have happened.

All nations had been planning for it. Orange and other war plans were, and are, par for the course in a bureaucracy looking for a purpose.

[abaris]

You said Hitler wasn't elected, he was - end of story.

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Really?



That's July '32. In November of the same year, the last free election was held. The NSDAP lost over 4 percent between July and November. And we're not talking a winner takes it all system, unless a single party manages to get over 50 percent of the seats. Hitler would have had to find a partner for a coalition. So they were at an impasse for 6 months. Hitler never had more than 33 percent of the votes on his side.

Germany at that time was equally divided between left and right, as the chart quite clearly shows.

November '32 shows the left parties in the lead and the Catholic Zentrum getting considerably stronger. Also the DNVP got stronger, which ultimately led to the demise of democracy. They still didn't have a majority in January, but by the end of february, the Communists were already forbidden.



march 1933.