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RE: Free will and humans
March 10, 2016 at 1:38 pm
(This post was last modified: March 10, 2016 at 1:40 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
You're still repeating yourself, how could my answer or my questions change if you'll merely be repeating yourself and refusing to answer? What am I supposed to be objecting to, by what standard, in what manner, to what end? People say things, you've said things....I hardly object to that. I agree that you've said what you've said. Is there anything else?
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RE: Free will and humans
March 10, 2016 at 1:42 pm
(March 10, 2016 at 1:38 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You're still repeating yourself, how could my answer or my questions change if you'll merely be repeating yourself and refusing to answer? What am I supposed to be objecting to, by what standard, in what manner, to what end? People say things, you've said things....I hardly object to that. I agree that you've said what you've said. Is there anything else? My question is, do you find any logical faults in that argument? Yes or No. Explain.
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RE: Free will and humans
March 10, 2016 at 1:49 pm
Oh, so you are attempting to be reasonable? Lets add that the the list of retractions then.
First you're going to have to provide an argument that meets the standards of reason, before I can object by reference to those standards. I'm afraid an assertion, followed by a flight of fancy, chased by a misuse of the term infer, capped off with a declaration of victory(?)....just doesn't qualify. I think you could probably come up with a valid form along those lines, if you tried..if or when you do we'll discuss the soundness of the propositions.
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RE: Free will and humans
March 10, 2016 at 1:56 pm
(March 10, 2016 at 1:35 pm)pool the great Wrote: Simple.
I define free will as the ability to form an algorithm to any given problem.
I demonstrate that humans are capable of forming an algorithm to any given problem and none else is.
I infer humans have free will.
I win.
What is your objection to that ^
Lala lala I can't hear you neener neener.
Now I win.
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RE: Free will and humans
March 10, 2016 at 2:04 pm
(March 10, 2016 at 1:56 pm)Losty Wrote: (March 10, 2016 at 1:35 pm)pool the great Wrote: Simple.
I define free will as the ability to form an algorithm to any given problem.
I demonstrate that humans are capable of forming an algorithm to any given problem and none else is.
I infer humans have free will.
I win.
What is your objection to that ^
Lala lala I can't hear you neener neener.
Now I win.
No I win. 
@Rhythm, I'm sure if you could've spotted one logical flaw in there you'd have jumped at it since you aren't I'll just assume there isn't any. 
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RE: Free will and humans
March 10, 2016 at 2:05 pm
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I thought you were trying to be reasonable? Now you're shifting the burden of proof before even -presenting- an argument to consider. Is that reasonable, do you imagine? Is the request you're making even possible?
How could I tell you what logical fallacies existed in an argument that doesn't?
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RE: Free will and humans
March 10, 2016 at 2:06 pm
Pool, what's your response to machine learning and self-modifying code?
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RE: Free will and humans
March 10, 2016 at 2:09 pm
(March 10, 2016 at 2:06 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: Pool, what's your response to machine learning and self-modifying code?
My response is that Machine learning and self modifying code users algorithms written by humans because computers can't come up with that by themselves.
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RE: Free will and humans
March 10, 2016 at 2:11 pm
(March 10, 2016 at 2:09 pm)pool the great Wrote: (March 10, 2016 at 2:06 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: Pool, what's your response to machine learning and self-modifying code?
My response is that Machine learning and self modifying code users algorithms written by humans because computers can't come up with that by themselves.
How is that different than algorithms created by/informed by chemical reactions to stimuli?
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RE: Free will and humans
March 10, 2016 at 2:13 pm
I'm asking because your free will argument seems like it's trending towards a creationism conclusion.
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