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RE: Why it's important to know there is an objective morality.
March 12, 2016 at 11:11 am
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(March 11, 2016 at 10:37 am)popsthebuilder Wrote: (March 11, 2016 at 10:24 am)robvalue Wrote: Based on what?
And in that case, God is irrelevant. We already know how to be selfless etc. Do you not agree that there is a subjective part to life?
Do you not agree that selfishness and greed and narcissistic behaviours are also natural occurrences? Is it not obvious that society in general seems to actually favor this greed through commercialiam?
Being aware of what is right in ones self in no way negates the need for oft reflection on what is right. Quite the contrary actually. Often recollection, study, reminder serves to keep the right thing close in heart, and as such; close at hand.
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You lost me here pops. Your reply doesn't seem to have much to do with what I said.
If you think "God" is responsible for everything, nothing is natural. It's all artificial, crafted how he wants it.
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RE: Why it's important to know there is an objective morality.
March 12, 2016 at 11:52 am
You make people miserable and there's nothing they can do about it, just like god.
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RE: Why it's important to know there is an objective morality.
March 12, 2016 at 12:07 pm
(March 12, 2016 at 11:11 am)robvalue Wrote: (March 11, 2016 at 10:37 am)popsthebuilder Wrote: Do you not agree that there is a subjective part to life?
Do you not agree that selfishness and greed and narcissistic behaviours are also natural occurrences? Is it not obvious that society in general seems to actually favor this greed through commercialiam?
Being aware of what is right in ones self in no way negates the need for oft reflection on what is right. Quite the contrary actually. Often recollection, study, reminder serves to keep the right thing close in heart, and as such; close at hand.
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You lost me here pops. Your reply doesn't seem to have much to do with what I said.
If you think "God" is responsible for everything, nothing is natural. It's all artificial, crafted how he wants it. That's strange to me. All things are both natural and of GOD. Why are they mutually exclusive to you?
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RE: Why it's important to know there is an objective morality.
March 12, 2016 at 12:16 pm
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Informally, natural means came about on its own without external intervention.
If you stick a guy in the front of all that who created it, then it came about exactly how he wanted it. If you want to call that nature, that's up to you. There's then nothing except nature in our reality, of course.
I still have no idea what God has to do with me being selfless. I know how to be selfless.
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RE: Why it's important to know there is an objective morality.
March 12, 2016 at 1:17 pm
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(March 12, 2016 at 12:16 pm)robvalue Wrote: Informally, natural means came about on its own without external intervention.
If you stick a guy in the front of all that who created it, then it came about exactly how he wanted it. If you want to call that nature, that's up to you. There's then nothing except nature in our reality, of course.
I still have no idea what God has to do with me being selfless. I know how to be selfless.
You know how to be selfless because God gave you that ability Robert 
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RE: Why it's important to know there is an objective morality.
March 12, 2016 at 2:05 pm
Hehe, yeah.
Well, that's the other thing. I often I get told I already have my morals from God. So I'm set, right? Why do I need to listen to other people and their subjective interpretations of books and such when I'm already infused with God morals? They'll just distract me.
And apparently I get it all without having to join any religion or worship. Handy.
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RE: Why it's important to know there is an objective morality.
March 12, 2016 at 7:46 pm
(March 12, 2016 at 8:45 am)ignoramus Wrote: So God gave us humans our morality. OK.
![[Image: 10pp3k.jpg]](https://i.imgflip.com/10pp3k.jpg) Do you really think that things have to be able to read to display altruism or morality? It is something that is naturally in many things, mostly not human at that.
God made everything to some extent. That happened a to include all natural phenomenon.
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RE: Why it's important to know there is an objective morality.
March 12, 2016 at 7:47 pm
(March 12, 2016 at 11:06 am)Rhythm Wrote: (March 12, 2016 at 8:39 am)popsthebuilder Wrote: I am sorta curious since you asked.[SMILING FACE WITH SMILING EYES]
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Nope. Then surely you can't point out what I have lied about then.
Right?
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RE: Why it's important to know there is an objective morality.
March 12, 2016 at 7:49 pm
(March 12, 2016 at 12:16 pm)robvalue Wrote: Informally, natural means came about on its own without external intervention.
If you stick a guy in the front of all that who created it, then it came about exactly how he wanted it. If you want to call that nature, that's up to you. There's then nothing except nature in our reality, of course.
I still have no idea what God has to do with me being selfless. I know how to be selfless. That's good. But most don't, or rather choose to be willfully ignorant of such.
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RE: Why it's important to know there is an objective morality.
March 12, 2016 at 7:51 pm
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(March 12, 2016 at 2:05 pm)robvalue Wrote: Hehe, yeah.
Well, that's the other thing. I often I get told I already have my morals from God. So I'm set, right? Why do I need to listen to other people and their subjective interpretations of books and such when I'm already infused with God morals? They'll just distract me.
And apparently I get it all without having to join any religion or worship. Handy. You need absolutely no other man to show you what is right.
The conscience is an intricate part of everyone's being. Most are blind to it though due to society, upbringing, greed, pride, and privilege.
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