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RE: Stop pretending to be modest
March 18, 2016 at 5:13 am
Calling attention to oneself in the name of modesty is hardly unique to Islam. Nuns have their habits, the Amish deliberately dress differently, among the Tuaregs of Africa, men must cover their faces except when eating or drinking, and my mother can even recall a time when women entering a Catholic church had to cover their heads in some way. I believe that there is one passage in the Koran that mandates that women wear some sort of veil, but it doesn’t specify whether that veil be a chador, a niqab, a burqa etc. or in what circumstances one is to wear the veil. I know of one Muslim woman who only wears a veil to pray for example. Personally, I think that the wearing of more attention capturing garments has less to do with modesty and preventing sexual assault, and more to do with stating one’s rejection of worldly societal norms with a good helping of overprotective fathers and husbands thrown in for good measure. I can think of one example that I read about in which a rapist in Europe was deliberately preying on burqa wearing women (I guess there’s a fetish for just about anything).
On a somewhat related note, I was in Hungry Jack’s recently (I’m not proud, I just wanted a quick and cheap meal) when two Muslim women walked in. They were wearing the full veil, and I have to say they were some of the most beautiful garments I have seen. I think it had something to do with the lighting at the establishment. So, I guess it’s true what they say: “The burqas are better at Hungry Jack’s”. 
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RE: Stop pretending to be modest
March 18, 2016 at 6:33 am
Guys, tell me where this logic fits in?
We make and install security doors. Some of our doors are the old fashioned colonial casting type.
Kevin, the other business partner, went to a house the other day to quote on a job.
She didn't know how to explain the style of door but had a photo of herself standing next to her friends door which is the style she wants.
Now this lady is talking to Kevin with her face fully covered.
In the photo, her face is uncovered. So when she shows Kevin the photo so he can see the style of door, she's got her hand covering half the photo.
Grown fucking women acting demented in the name of religion!
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RE: Stop pretending to be modest
March 18, 2016 at 6:51 am
I've travelled quite extensively through Indonesia and Malaysia and it used to make my blood boil to see a women covered in black from head to toe in 40 degree heat whilst 10 paces up front walks the piece-of-shit husband wearing shorts and singlet.
He's fully checking out every fucking lesser clothed female that walks past.
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RE: Stop pretending to be modest
March 18, 2016 at 7:33 am
(March 18, 2016 at 6:51 am)Little lunch Wrote: I've travelled quite extensively through Indonesia and Malaysia and it used to make my blood boil to see a women covered in black from head to toe in 40 degree heat whilst 10 paces up front walks the piece-of-shit husband wearing shorts and singlet.
He's fully checking out every fucking lesser clothed female that walks past.
Sadly, that's what Saudi money does to people. It turns them into hypocrites (and liars). Hopefully the wars in Syria, Iraq and the Yemen,, along with the oil prices, will bring down Saudi.
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RE: Stop pretending to be modest
March 26, 2016 at 5:40 pm
(This post was last modified: March 26, 2016 at 5:45 pm by Regina.)
I think it's obvious when Muslim women have chosen themselves to dress modestly rather than being pressured into it. You can see quite lot of Muslim women now wearing the hijab (headscarf but no face covering), but they'll wear bright colours and modern clothes with it. I can respect that, because I can tell that's a look she's put together herself and that she has agency in how she looks. It's not just a black curtain from head to toe, and some Muslim women have made really cool looks out of the hijab. I also don't agree with banning the hijab because, while yes it's a religious symbol, In terms of the amount it covers it's no different from wearing a hoodie or a hat in public. You've also got old non-Muslim women and Christian Nuns who wear similar head coverings, so you'd have to ban it for them too.
I don't agree with face coverings, and I would support a niqab and burka ban. I don't believe any woman who says she chooses to cover her face and have no identity. That's bullshit to me.
I was standing outside smoking this one time. This Muslim girl walked past me wearing a hijab, but then she had a low-cut top with it with her tits basically out. WTF? I'm not convinced she wasn't a real life troll tbh.
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RE: Stop pretending to be modest
March 26, 2016 at 6:22 pm
I try my best to be understanding and tolerant of people of different faiths and cultures, really I do. I worked in a library once that had a lot of Muslim students from various countries. Some of the women wore various types of hijabs, a few were clothed from head-to-toe in the summer. (I asked one student if she didn't get really hot, and her answer was that she was used to it, and air circulates underneath it.) Hey, it's their culture and the way they are used to living.
But there was this one group - two sisters and a brother, all studying together. The girls would be completely covered up in the summer, and he would be in a tank top, shorts, and flip flops. I didn't think that was fair. And then his sisters would help him with his homework, or just do it for him, and he'd be flirting with all the women walking by. I was . . . not impressed . . . but kept my mouth shut. But this guy acted his sisters were his slaves, and I wish I could have gotten away with asking him why he was too stupid to do his own homework.  
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Stop pretending to be modest
March 26, 2016 at 10:23 pm
(March 26, 2016 at 6:22 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: I try my best to be understanding and tolerant of people of different faiths and cultures, really I do. I worked in a library once that had a lot of Muslim students from various countries. Some of the women wore various types of hijabs, a few were clothed from head-to-toe in the summer. (I asked one student if she didn't get really hot, and her answer was that she was used to it, and air circulates underneath it.) Hey, it's their culture and the way they are used to living.
But there was this one group - two sisters and a brother, all studying together. The girls would be completely covered up in the summer, and he would be in a tank top, shorts, and flip flops. I didn't think that was fair. And then his sisters would help him with his homework, or just do it for him, and he'd be flirting with all the women walking by. I was . . . not impressed . . . but kept my mouth shut. But this guy acted his sisters were his slaves, and I wish I could have gotten away with asking him why he was too stupid to do his own homework.
YES! I have seen this in my husband's and my old apartment complex! It would be like...95 degrees out and the women would be wearing long black robes while their men would be wearing American shorts and polo t-shirts. WTF?!
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RE: Stop pretending to be modest
March 27, 2016 at 12:48 am
At a previous job, I worked on a team with a Muslim nurse from Afghanistan. She didn't wear a hijab and said she felt that wearing longs sleeves underneath scrubs was unbearably hot and potentially unsanitary. She wore regular scrubs to work, with her arms exposed.
Her husband painted houses and was okay with it. 
Outside of work, she would always be dressed in standard Western clothing that I would describe as stylish, yet conservative. She only wore a hijab when attending mosque.
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