Bernie Sanders - Hope?

[Minimalist]

Sanders needs to get out of the way so Democrats can unite to stop the rolling train wreck which is Donald Drumpf.

I could say the same thing about Hillary.

But Hillary does not need to win 75% of the remaining delegates to have a chance.  That is a difference.



Besides, I don't know if I could take 4 months of this 24/7 which is what the republicunt campaign against Sanders would be.

[Rev. Rye]

Sadly, I can't expect Bernie to win. I mean, I voted for him, my boss is a fan, and my writer's group all voted for him (including a self-proclaimed socialist voting in the primaries for the first time in 20 years), but we really don't expect Bernie to get the nomination. One guy in the group said that, even if he does get it, he fully expects the Democratic establishment to render unto him what Sirhan Sirhan Sirhan rendered unto RFK. Honestly, I'm inclined to agree. The Democratic Party seems to be holding out way too much hope for someone who could cooperate with the Republicans, that they'd nominate the more right-wing Hillary.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Making a point is one thing. Demonstrating your point to your own detriment is entirely another.

I believe the term you're looking for is "biting off one's nose to spite one's own face."

I can't bring myself to vote for Clinton, but I damned sure will vote against Trump. If the race is close, that means I'll punch "Hilary" on the ballot and repent at leisure. If she's winning by a comfortable margin, I'll do as I normally do and vote Libertarian -- Gary Johnson again, this year.

[Thumpalumpacus]

[Thumpalumpacus]

He is better than your nazi bitch.

Dummkopf.

[SteelCurtain]

[Thumpalumpacus]

[SteelCurtain]

But these attacks against Trump seem only to mobilize more of his voters.

My point is that the GOP establishment is likely not to have a say. I think Trump will win the nomination outright. The egg that the right laid with it's warmongering, demagoguery, and rampant feamongering is hatching, and the monster inside is exactly what they deserve.

[Thumpalumpacus]

But these attacks against Trump seem  only to mobilize more of his voters.

Intensity of support doesn't equal raw numbers. If you look back through American history, you'll see that while divisive politicians spur debate, precisely because they're divisive, they tend to have low ceilings -- William Jennings Bryan is a good example.

My point is that the GOP establishment is likely not to have a say. I think Trump will win the nomination outright. The egg that the right laid with it's warmongering, demagoguery, and rampant feamongering is hatching, and the monster inside is exactly what they deserve.

I can't argue with the fact that the Trump candidacy is the direct result of Republican intransigence and demagoguery, but I think Trump has it much more uphill than the media is portraying right now. They're onto a Story, but the real story here is how are the Republicans going to save much at all no matter who they nominate, or how?

This is an unfolding disaster for the Republicans. They either accept Trump and all his baggage (bigotry, xenophobia, overweening hubris) as their representative nominee, or they face an internal but very public fight over the legitimacy of their nomination process. It's a Hobson's Choice for them -- either way, they lose.

[SteelCurtain]

But these attacks against Trump seem  only to mobilize more of his voters.

Intensity of support doesn't equal raw numbers. If you look back through American history, you'll see that while divisive politicians spur debate, precisely because they're divisive, they tend to have low ceilings -- William Jennings Bryan is a good example.

But it does translate well into delegates in caucus states.

Trump is turning out more voters for the Republican Party than ever before. When he is shown to be divisive, more of the clowns come to the circus.

My point is that the GOP establishment is likely not to have a say. I think Trump will win the nomination outright. The egg that the right laid with it's warmongering, demagoguery, and rampant feamongering is hatching, and the monster inside is exactly what they deserve.

I can't argue with the fact that the Trump candidacy is the direct result of Republican intransigence and demagoguery, but I think Trump has it much more uphill than the media is portraying right now. They're onto a Story, but the real story here is how are the Republicans going to save much at all no matter who they nominate, or how?

This is an unfolding disaster for the Republicans. They either accept Trump and all his baggage (bigotry, xenophobia, overweening hubris) as their representative nominee, or they face an internal but very public fight over the legitimacy of their nomination process. It's a Hobson's Choice for them -- either way, they lose.

It sure is a disaster for them. But they may be able to spin it if they glom onto him. They have to choose a path, and quickly. If they hold out until a contested convention and decide to give it to Kasich, they will reap what they sew. If they choose to go hard and strong with the "he's not that bad" gambit, they could save some face and unite the rubbish that's left.

The gamble is Trump not getting the required delegates for the nomination. If they distance themselves from him for too long they are going to crash hard after the election. During this crash, I will bathe gleefully in the schadenfreude.