The main reason I'm an atheist

[Redbeard The Pink]

Who the fuck let Rik out of his cage?


"You need help sometimes, therefore a good must exist to help you."


That is pigeon logic, Rik. You're shitting up the chessboard again.

[Little Rik]

Who the fuck let Rik out of his cage?


"You need help sometimes, therefore a good must exist to help you."


That is pigeon logic, Rik. You're shitting up the chessboard again.

Pinky.  

You didn't follow my advise did you?
Didn't i tell you that after you finish to be the clown of the village you should try your very best to
become human again.  
I know that is a bit difficult considering your situation but you have to try.  

Pinky.
We do not need help sometime.
We do need help all the time from birth to death and after the physical death as well.  
You need your clown dress.
You need fools and gullible people who throw few cents in your hat.  
You need a dear one who dry your tears because some nasty people throw peanuts shells in your hat
and so on.
Can't you see Pinky that you need help all the time?  

[Redbeard The Pink]

Who the fuck let Rik out of his cage?


"You need help sometimes, therefore a god must exist to help you."


That is pigeon logic, Rik. You're shitting up the chessboard again.

Pinky.  

You didn't follow my advise did you?
Didn't i tell you that after you finish to be the clown of the village you should try your very best to
become human again.  
I know that is a bit difficult considering your situation but you have to try.  

Pinky.
We do not need help sometime.
We do need help all the time from birth to death and after the physical death as well.  
You need your clown dress.
You need fools and gullible people who throw few cents in your hat.  
You need a dear one who dry your tears because some nasty people throw peanuts shells in your hat
and so on.
Can't you see Pinky that you need help all the time?  

No, Rik, I'm pretty sure you did not tell me that.


"All the time you need help, therefore there must be a god to help you."


Even if I granted the premise that we need help all the time just to exist (which I don't), that still wouldn't be evidence for the existence of an invisible helper.


Believe it or not, I actually make good money as a Wizard. I do occasionally do some street performance, but that's mostly just networking to get business cards in people's hands, and I've barely done any of that since my first year out. Now the bulk of my performances are paid appearances at libraries, schools, conventions, theaters, farmer's markets, private parties, street festivals...the list goes on. I'm still early in my magic career, but I've already gained a pretty decent range of experience with different venues and clients, both in my own city and in some other places in my state. This year I'm aiming to add a portable backdrop and a small sound system to my portable show set (which already includes various tables, props, and stands, most of which I constructed myself).


To put it frankly, you have no idea what you're talking about, even when you try to construct an ad hominem attack. 


Staunton has many clowns...only one Wizard.

[drfuzzy]

Little Rik wrote:  "That is interesting fuzzy.  I didn't know that to get from London to NY we don't need a plane or a ship?"

Yeah, the guy is way off his medications . . . (either that or ON a soup of really dangerous ones) if he thinks equating a human-built machine with an imaginary friend isn't one of the bigger non- sequiturs  ever posted here.

Yo, Rikki Sicky: Have your fantasy imaginary friend serve the same function as a plane or a ship, videotape it, and then maybe you'll be worth a moment of attention.  London to NY, flying.  Get on it.

But we know you can't, and you'll just keep shitting idiotic nonsense all over the carpets of our forum.  

[Little Rik]

Pinky.  

You didn't follow my advise did you?
Didn't i tell you that after you finish to be the clown of the village you should try your very best to
become human again.  
I know that is a bit difficult considering your situation but you have to try.  

Pinky.
We do not need help sometime.
We do need help all the time from birth to death and after the physical death as well.  
You need your clown dress.
You need fools and gullible people who throw few cents in your hat.  
You need a dear one who dry your tears because some nasty people throw peanuts shells in your hat
and so on.
Can't you see Pinky that you need help all the time?  

No, Rik, I'm pretty sure you did not tell me that.


"All the time you need help, therefore there must be a god to help you."


Even if I granted the premise that we need help all the time just to exist (which I don't), that still wouldn't be evidence for the existence of an invisible helper.

Pinky.  

There are several ways to understand that we need God help.
Intelligent people have more intuition therefore for them is quite easy to understand this point
but for people with little intuition like some wizard mate of mine is still not that difficult to understand that point after all.
It only take a little bit of imagination.
Peace of mind is outside the material-physical-mental arena or world.
It is something that we can not find within this universe.
No matter who you are or what you do.
The reality within this universe is that we will never be able to satisfy our desire for peace of mind.
After getting to point B we want to get to point C and on and on with no end in sight.
You buy a new car.
After few days or weeks you will discover that you could buy the same car cheaper.
Not only that but you will discovered that a new model just came out which appear more
attractive to you and your mind is unable to find peace of mind.
It is impossible to find peace of mind unless you find it in the spiritual arena and in that case you need
God but this is something that you will find out the hard way considering your mental blindness.  

Believe it or not, I actually make good money as a Wizard. I do occasionally do some street performance, but that's mostly just networking to get business cards in people's hands, and I've barely done any of that since my first year out. Now the bulk of my performances are paid appearances at libraries, schools, conventions, theaters, farmer's markets, private parties, street festivals...the list goes on. I'm still early in my magic career, but I've already gained a pretty decent range of experience with different venues and clients, both in my own city and in some other places in my state. This year I'm aiming to add a portable backdrop and a small sound system to my portable show set (which already includes various tables, props, and stands, most of which I constructed myself).

That is great mate.
Maybe one day you may even come to Australia with your show.
We already had Chopra few years ago.
He must have made a lot of money.
You may do the same.
All the best Pinky.

To put it frankly, you have no idea what you're talking about, even when you try to construct an ad hominem attack. 

Pinky, an ad hominem attack involve an attack at the person instead at an argument of that person.
The problem is that you never present to me any argument.
Right?  

Staunton has many clowns...only one Wizard.

Gee, I am so excited to see your magic tricks that I can't even sleep at night.
Are you as good as Dynamo?  

[Redbeard The Pink]

Pinky.  

There are several ways to understand that we need God help.
Intelligent people have more intuition therefore for them is quite easy to understand this point
but for people with little intuition like some wizard mate of mine is still not that difficult to understand that point after all.
It only take a little bit of imagination.
Peace of mind is outside the material-physical-mental arena or world.
It is something that we can not find within this universe.
No matter who you are or what you do.
The reality within this universe is that we will never be able to satisfy our desire for peace of mind.
After getting to point B we want to get to point C and on and on with no end in sight.
You buy a new car.
After few days or weeks you will discover that you could buy the same car cheaper.
Not only that but you will discovered that a new model just came out which appear more
attractive to you and your mind is unable to find peace of mind.
It is impossible to find peace of mind unless you find it in the spiritual arena and in that case you need
God but this is something that you will find out the hard way considering your mental blindness.  

You need some more woo sauce on that word salad?


"You need an imaginary thing to help you achieve this other imaginary thing."


How droll. That's just what the Christians say.

That is great mate.
Maybe one day you may even come to Australia with your show.
We already had Chopra few years ago.
He must have made a lot of money.
You may do the same.
All the best Pinky.

I find it pretty amusing that you're casting aspersions on Deepak Chopra, considering how similar you two sound.

Pinky, an ad hominem attack involve an attack at the person instead at an argument of that person.
The problem is that you never present to me any argument.
Right?  

My argument is that your logic doesn't follow. Even if you could prove that peace of mind is a thing and that humans need help achieving it, that still doesn't prove that a god exists, or which one it is.

Gee, I am so excited to see your magic tricks that I can't even sleep at night.
Are you as good as Dynamo?  

That depends. Does Dynamo throw fireballs?

[RozKek]

Most atheists say that most Theists do not believe in science.
I do Wind.
I believe in science.
I observe mother nature and by understanding how it works i draw conclusions.
It is also important to guess what make sense and what doesn't.
Human body is made of consciousness and energy.
Even a demented idiot would get that point.
In nature there is a continuum.
That means that the evolution follow similar patterns.
The elements are the same.
The only differences are that the evolved creature is bigger in consciousness but the
elements that compose the creatures are the same.
They are all made of energy and consciousness.
No exception to the rule.
Animals are conscious.
Plants too as we can see from plants searching for better conditions such as climbers.
And why not matter and all other elements that compose the universe?
Energy is everywhere but as we can not perceive consciousness in matter we find difficult
to believe that there is any.
Unfortunately few people understand that consciousness is at different stages of awareness
in different forms of life.
We as humans have more consciousness than animals a lot more than plants and infinitely
more that matter which consciousness lie in a latent stage.
The word latent is not the same as dormant but rather is existing but not yet developed or manifest.

One thing that appreciate from you is your honesty (in this case)
You admit that so far you or the current theory do not know.
I do believe that the trigger is the awakening of consciousness not just because yoga say so but
because it make sense.
Darwin theory that survival is the trigger doesn't make any sense.
Matter doesn't need to survive
Uranium and other forms of energy are released regardless
People learn things regardless of whether these things are important to survive or not so
Darwin theory is faulty while yoga theory make sense.

4) Atheists do not know whether reincarnation is needed in order to progress
from lower species to higher one.
There is no evidence supporting reincarnation.

Yes there is Wind.
NDEs have never been disproved even by the biggest study ever held by Dr Parnia.
And NDEs go hand in hand with reincarnation.
Not one or two people had these experiences but thousand of them.
http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Archives/...counts.htm

And what part of NDEs didn't originate in the brain? http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Near-death_experience Scroll down to the scientific explanation section. (Didn't care to do more research and add more links since I know you're batshit crazy (no offense) and NDEs are bs).

Also consciousness originates in the brain, there's nothing special about it. You speak as if consciousness is something special, it's nothing more than neurons etc communicating. *whispers* "Apophenia" *whispers*

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The main reason that I'm an Athesit is because I don't need God. I don't need someone to show me "the way", I don't need someone to help me with my problems, especially not from some imaginary creature. If I have a goal or a "need" for something I will try to achieve it myself, with my own will and my own determination.

I have heard this before Ben the mighty.
But the time will come when you will need to do big things and when this time will come you will need a lot of help.
Without external help we are powerless.
I am sure that when you will have solved your material problems you will want to solve your physical one
and when you will have solved your physical one you will want to solve the problem of the mind and after that you will realize that all your mighty will not suffice to solve the problem within like to find peace of mind.
Once you will reach this stage a new awareness will take over your intellect and you will change all your
philosophy in realizing that all your mighty is totally worthless and you really will have to change your
atheistic attitude.  

Your incredibly weak mentality doesn't apply to everyone.

[TheRocketSurgeon]

I'm just trying to figure out WTF he was even saying. Half of that isn't even English; "all your mighty is totally worthless" sounds like "all your base are belong to us".

I think someone set up us the bomb.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qItugh-fFgg

[Little Rik]

Pinky.  

There are several ways to understand that we need God help.
Intelligent people have more intuition therefore for them is quite easy to understand this point
but for people with little intuition like some wizard mate of mine is still not that difficult to understand that point after all.
It only take a little bit of imagination.
Peace of mind is outside the material-physical-mental arena or world.
It is something that we can not find within this universe.
No matter who you are or what you do.
The reality within this universe is that we will never be able to satisfy our desire for peace of mind.
After getting to point B we want to get to point C and on and on with no end in sight.
You buy a new car.
After few days or weeks you will discover that you could buy the same car cheaper.
Not only that but you will discovered that a new model just came out which appear more
attractive to you and your mind is unable to find peace of mind.
It is impossible to find peace of mind unless you find it in the spiritual arena and in that case you need
God but this is something that you will find out the hard way considering your mental blindness.  

You need some more  woo sauce on that  word salad?


"You need an imaginary thing to help you achieve this other imaginary thing."


How droll. That's just what the Christians say.

That is great mate.
Maybe one day you may even come to Australia with your show.
We already had Chopra few years ago.
He must have made a lot of money.
You may do the same.
All the best Pinky.

I find it pretty amusing that you're casting aspersions on Deepak Chopra, considering how similar you two sound.

Pinky, an ad hominem attack involve an attack at the person instead at an argument of that person.
The problem is that you never present to me any argument.
Right?  

My argument is that your logic doesn't follow. Even if you could prove that peace of mind is a thing and that humans need help achieving it, that still doesn't prove that a god exists, or which one it is.

Gee, I am so excited to see your magic tricks that I can't even sleep at night.
Are you as good as Dynamo?  

That depends. Does Dynamo throw fireballs?

Pinky.  

Leave your magical tricks alone just for few minutes and think about the real reality.
Within this finite universe there is no such a thing as progress for the simple reason that
positive and negative always go hand in hand.
This is a fact not bullshit.
Once you get this true message then if you got any flash of intellect you should realize that
peace of mind is not achievable in the material-physical-mental arena therefore if it can be
achieved it can only be achieved in the spiritual arena where the negative has no effect.
You never thought about it Pinky, did you?  

[Little Rik]

Most atheists say that most Theists do not believe in science.
I do Wind.
I believe in science.
I observe mother nature and by understanding how it works i draw conclusions.
It is also important to guess what make sense and what doesn't.
Human body is made of consciousness and energy.
Even a demented idiot would get that point.
In nature there is a continuum.
That means that the evolution follow similar patterns.
The elements are the same.
The only differences are that the evolved creature is bigger in consciousness but the
elements that compose the creatures are the same.
They are all made of energy and consciousness.
No exception to the rule.
Animals are conscious.
Plants too as we can see from plants searching for better conditions such as climbers.
And why not matter and all other elements that compose the universe?
Energy is everywhere but as we can not perceive consciousness in matter we find difficult
to believe that there is any.
Unfortunately few people understand that consciousness is at different stages of awareness
in different forms of life.
We as humans have more consciousness than animals a lot more than plants and infinitely
more that matter which consciousness lie in a latent stage.
The word latent is not the same as dormant but rather is existing but not yet developed or manifest.

One thing that appreciate from you is your honesty (in this case)
You admit that so far you or the current theory do not know.
I do believe that the trigger is the awakening of consciousness not just because yoga say so but
because it make sense.
Darwin theory that survival is the trigger doesn't make any sense.
Matter doesn't need to survive
Uranium and other forms of energy are released regardless
People learn things regardless of whether these things are important to survive or not so
Darwin theory is faulty while yoga theory make sense.

4) Atheists do not know whether reincarnation is needed in order to progress
from lower species to higher one.
There is no evidence supporting reincarnation.

Yes there is Wind.
NDEs have never been disproved even by the biggest study ever held by Dr Parnia.
And NDEs go hand in hand with reincarnation.
Not one or two people had these experiences but thousand of them.
http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Archives/...counts.htm

And what part of NDEs didn't originate in the brain? http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Near-death_experience Scroll down to the scientific explanation section. (Didn't care to do more research and add more links since I know you're batshit crazy (no offense) and NDEs are bs).

That is bizarre Roz.
In the past i did produce a number of studies only to be told that i really should take in serious consideration the biggest study ever carried out by the best expert in the field Dr. Parnia.
Guess what Roz.
I did read Dr. Parnia report and guess what?
He conclude that there is no evidence for or against NDEs and more study is needed to find out
the truth.
So if the so called expert say no or yes how the hell mr. Roz can pop up and say no?

You never thought about it Roz, did you?  

Also consciousness originates in the brain, there's nothing special about it. You speak as if consciousness is something special, it's nothing more than neurons etc communicating.

Here we are with one more statement that the consciousness originate from the brain.
EVIDENCE ROZ, EVIDENCE or get lost.  

I have heard this before Ben the mighty.
But the time will come when you will need to do big things and when this time will come you will need a lot of help.
Without external help we are powerless.
I am sure that when you will have solved your material problems you will want to solve your physical one
and when you will have solved your physical one you will want to solve the problem of the mind and after that you will realize that all your mighty will not suffice to solve the problem within like to find peace of mind.
Once you will reach this stage a new awareness will take over your intellect and you will change all your
philosophy in realizing that all your mighty is totally worthless and you really will have to change your
atheistic attitude.  

Your incredibly weak mentality doesn't apply to everyone.

This is a course that everybody will have to take sooner or later in this or in a future life.
There is no other way around.
Everybody try to go up.
Even those who do the wrong thing and go down nevertheless they aim at up in order to find peace
of mind.
And up mean only one thing.
To merge in the infinite ocean of bliss.