Why I hate Right Wing Christians

[TheRocketSurgeon]

I'm a republican. Just saying.

What's wrong with being a Republican? I said conservative, in the modern sense of the word. Frankly, I'd like to see more people in the GOP who have read a book not penned by their own circle-jerk apologetics factories, who understand what science actually is, and who don't base their ideas about racial relations on the notion that anything other than full-on Klan activities isn't racist. The USA is dangerously right-skewed, politically, compared to the rest of the modern world, to the point that most of our "centrist" Democrats would be considered conservative by a wide measure in any other democracy (I would count Hillary Clinton in that group.)

[Foxaèr]

One must be dumb to be a Republican.

I mean seriously.

Republicans have created a platform where they only support the 1%

Granted, democrats are also in league with the corporation, but not quite to the extent as in relation to Republicans.

What always makes me realize how fucking dumb Americans are is that there are these poor redneck bible thumping idiots who claim the title of Republican merely because the Republican candidates mumble something about Jesus.

What makes those fucking dumb, poor American redneck bible thumpers even more idiotic is that they support a party that veritably ensures they remain poor.

What kind of logic is that?

[TheRocketSurgeon]

I'd take an idiotic/annoying liberal civilization over a threat-to-my-health-and-safety conservative one, any day of the week.

I'm conflicted. I can envision a world where I'm a 120 year old man thanks to the super social programs enacted and I get fined out of my house/home for saying what's on my ancient, grew up in the 90's, addled mind because of politically correct programs enacted. If it hasn't happened earlier.

In this regard, I am somewhat Libertarian-leaning. It horrifies me when either side tries to use the power of government to punish people into behaving socially as they think makes for a "better world". I worry about going too far with gun restriction laws, for instance... and the notion of using force to go after people for what they say/wear (etc.)  gives me the cold shivers.

That said, I find the conservatives who used the Drug War to silence the counterculture and minority rights groups, and spread decades of propaganda lies to fuel the rise of expensive, oversized, and militarized police units (while stuffing prisons full), who dismantled our environmental protection laws to suit the bottom lines of corporate donors at the expense of the health and safety of poor Americans (See Moore's article on what happened in Flint, Michigan, for instance: http://michaelmoore.com/10FactsOnFlint/) to be much, much worse.

[Goosebump]

I'm conflicted. I can envision a world where I'm a 120 year old man thanks to the super social programs enacted and I get fined out of my house/home for saying what's on my ancient, grew up in the 90's, addled mind because of politically correct programs enacted. If it hasn't happened earlier.

In this regard, I am somewhat Libertarian-leaning. It horrifies me when either side tries to use the power of government to punish people into behaving socially as they think makes for a "better world". I worry about going too far with gun restriction laws, for instance... and the notion of using force to go after people for what they say/wear (etc.)  gives me the cold shivers.

That said, I find the conservatives who used the Drug War to silence the counterculture and minority rights groups, and spread decades of propaganda lies to fuel the rise of expensive, oversized, and militarized police units (while stuffing prisons full), who dismantled our environmental protection laws to suit the bottom lines of corporate donors at the expense of the health and safety of poor Americans (See Moore's article on what happened in Flint, Michigan, for instance: http://michaelmoore.com/10FactsOnFlint/) to be much, much worse.

I'm kinda there with you. I'm right in the cross-hairs of the conflict between being very liberal/progressive and libertarian. 

I understand the need for gun controls and support many of them. But I do have a problem when a very left wing says all my guns have to be in a lock up or I can only own one or two guns. Or I can't transport them to a range without a special case or permit when I could just take the bolt out. None of this is law, but it is proposed out of the left wing.

I'm also very libertarian when it comes to the first amendment. People should be able to say whatever they want and when we get into the realm of worrying about libel and slander over opinionated speech that's a dangerous slippery slope. 

I don't know what label I would fall under in the first amendment when it comes to "make no law respecting an establishment of religion" as I take that to mean government won't make a law that has anything to do with religion. I think that covers abortion, as the designation of "a human life" should be left to science. As well as other issues with it such as hobby lobby.

I also but heads with the left and libertarian views when it comes to trade. I think trade helps a world economy and world peace. I think it prevents nations from going to war and I think it spreads ideas and culture. Sure it moves jobs around and causes exploitation, I'm not claiming it's perfect or even "good". I think it's the best choice from a whole lot of rough and some really bad choices.

[brewer]

I'm a republican. Just saying.

What's wrong with being a Republican? I said conservative, in the modern sense of the word. Frankly, I'd like to see more people in the GOP who have read a book not penned by their own circle-jerk apologetics factories, who understand what science actually is, and who don't base their ideas about racial relations on the notion that anything other than full-on Klan activities isn't racist. The USA is dangerously right-skewed, politically, compared to the rest of the modern world, to the point that most of our "centrist" Democrats would be considered conservative by a wide measure in any other democracy (I would count Hillary Clinton in that group.)

My post followed yours but was not in response to yours.

I am a conservative in many ways. Just not always to the right. My positions change based on the issue(s) and not bound by the party line.

Edit: I see that 3 posts above mine, I find out that I am dumb.

Kinda tired of the blanket hate at AF, republicans, business, wealthy, gun owners, .....................

[abaris]

The USA is dangerously right-skewed, politically, compared to the rest of the modern world, to the point that most of our "centrist" Democrats would be considered conservative by a wide measure in any other democracy (I would count Hillary Clinton in that group.)

Clinton is a bit liberal on social issues, but on all other counts, she would be in the Margaret Thatcher region in Europe. Obama, barring his war record, would be considered a moderate conservative.

As for the US being dangerously right-skewed, the whole western world is moving in that direction. And by that I certainly don't mean conservatism, which, at it's base, can be a centrist position. Best contemporary example, Angela Merkel in Germany. Although I don't share her economical view, she still endorses humanism, and I could vote for her. In fact, most of the German parties are electable. The only obvious exemption being the rightwing AFD.

Can't say the same about our own politicians and parties, from left to right, the only exemption being the Green Party. All the others have their pants full of the extreme right and try to divert voters by being as primitive and bigoted as them. Hungary has already fallen, Poland too and the Czech republic is on it's best way to follow suit.

So, the extreme right raises it's ugly head everywhere. Nationalism is back with a vengeance. Not only in the USA. And the funny, or actually not so funny thing is, that all these rightwingers appeal to what they call christian heritage. So it's a religious right we're talking about.

[Alex K]

What's wrong with being a Republican? I said conservative, in the modern sense of the word.

I'm a republican. Just saying.

Having a conservative stance on issues, fine. But to me, seeing the current state of the Republican party, with so many unreasonable people in high-ranking places, it becomes a bit questionable why one would like to identify with them. Go and found a new conservative party, it would do the country good.

[TheRocketSurgeon]

Kinda tired of the blanket hate at AF, republicans, business, wealthy, gun owners, .....................

What's with the paranoia from conservative types, in this country?

We don't hate Republicans; we just consider a great number of them to be disturbingly bigoted, and to express opinions which horrify us (like the way you feel about the most idiotic, white-boy-dreadlock-wearing hippie types when they talk about laws to keep you from hurting peoples' feelings, or whatever), and to be poorly-educated except in terms of swallowing propaganda put out there by Faux News and other conservative think-tank media outlets (all the while complaining in true paranoiac fashion that the media is liberal-skewed).

We don't hate business; we are simply aware that corporations are completely amoral in most cases, have their own shareholders/profit in mind above the well-being of the nation or its people, and have a looooooooooong history of doing underhanded and dangerous things to our nation/environment/people... all while attempting to gain power/control of legislators in order to pass even more laws that are favorable to those profit margins.

No one hates the wealthy. I don't even know where that stupid, stupid argument comes from. However, if you fail to recognize that wealth has had a dangerous (I would argue disastrous) influence on legal and social policy in this nation (and doubtless in others on which I am ill-equipped to speak), you have had your hands firmly placed over your ears and eyes. The wealthy class, unsurprisingly, work to further their own interests-- the difference between them and the rest of us is that they have more capacity to do it on the national stage (especially since the recent "corporations are people and money is free speech" Supreme Court ruling).

Finally, many MANY of us here are gun owners/enthusiasts. It has already been mentioned in this thread, just a page back.

I'm sick to fucking DEATH of this paranoiac bullshit, so sorry I snapped on ya, but GEEZUS FUCKING CHRIST, man.

[brewer]

Kinda tired of the blanket hate at AF, republicans, business, wealthy, gun owners, .....................

What's with the paranoia from conservative types, in this country?

We don't hate Republicans; we just consider a great number of them to be disturbingly bigoted, and to express opinions which horrify us (like the way you feel about the most idiotic, white-boy-dreadlock-wearing hippie types when they talk about laws to keep you from hurting peoples' feelings, or whatever), and to be poorly-educated except in terms of swallowing propaganda put out there by Faux News and other conservative think-tank media outlets (all the while complaining in true paranoiac fashion that the media is liberal-skewed).

We don't hate business; we are simply aware that corporations are completely amoral in most cases, have their own shareholders/profit in mind above the well-being of the nation or its people, and have a looooooooooong history of doing underhanded and dangerous things to our nation/environment/people... all while attempting to gain power/control of legislators in order to pass even more laws that are favorable to those profit margins.

No one hates the wealthy. I don't even know where that stupid, stupid argument comes from. However, if you fail to recognize that wealth has had a dangerous (I would argue disastrous) influence on legal and social policy in this nation (and doubtless in others on which I am ill-equipped to speak), you have had your hands firmly placed over your ears and eyes. The wealthy class, unsurprisingly, work to further their own interests-- the difference between them and the rest of us is that they have more capacity to do it on the national stage (especially since the recent "corporations are people and money is free speech" Supreme Court ruling).

Finally, many MANY of us here are gun owners/enthusiasts. It has already been mentioned in this thread, just a page back.

I'm sick to fucking DEATH of this paranoiac bullshit, so sorry I snapped on ya, but GEEZUS FUCKING CHRIST, man.

Not paranoid, just annoyed.

[Minimalist]