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RE: Whelp, make me feel good people
April 18, 2016 at 11:51 pm
(April 17, 2016 at 6:49 pm)breadbasketbomb Wrote: (April 17, 2016 at 3:33 pm)Brian37 Wrote: You don't "become", you simply leave bad claims behind. I really wish humans would stop speaking in terms of any label as "I am a"....... "atheist" is a position, it isn't your blood or DNA, it simply means you hold the "off" position on god claims.
Is there a good reason to hold the "off" position? Certainly, no evidence. But you don't become one like you become a club member at a country club. I would say educating yourself both in theists slick apologies and in science gives one a better view of why "off" is the credible position, but you don't "become" anything accept wise.
Do you think I actually care? That's not my problem emphasis mine.
With this sort of response, I see how easy it will be for some to not ever bother helping you find what you're looking for. Brian wasn't trying to put you on the defensive. He was explaining something about atheism to you. Your negativity is painting you in a rather dim light.
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RE: Whelp, make me feel good people
April 19, 2016 at 12:00 am
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(April 18, 2016 at 11:51 pm)Nymphadora Wrote: (April 17, 2016 at 6:49 pm)breadbasketbomb Wrote: Do you think I actually care? That's not my problem emphasis mine.
With this sort of response, I see how easy it will be for some to not ever bother helping you find what you're looking for. Brian wasn't trying to put you on the defensive. He was explaining something about atheism to you. Your negativity is painting you in a rather dim light.
This isn't about atheism. This is about some guy who thinks irrationally about them regardless of how well they treat me.
(April 18, 2016 at 11:46 pm)Nymphadora Wrote: (April 18, 2016 at 8:58 am)breadbasketbomb Wrote: I'm a pessimist. A very pessimistic person. And really, that's what I'm getting around here. Allot of companions and friends I had left me because i hated them for being atheist. Despite never attacking me or even mentioning religion. I just walked up to them with an angry face and told them how much I hated them. I wanted to stop thinking like that for once. Well all that negativity you carry around isn't going to help you stop thinking the worst about anyone. The hate that you have in your heart has grown to such an extent that even those that love you are hated by you - even if you've never told them - it's clear the hate you have.
The only person who can get you to stop thinking that way is you. No amount of convincing or showing you or telling you stories about good and positive things is going to change that. You have to want to change for yourself. If you're not willing to find a starting point at which you stop acting so negative, then you'll continue to sit in stagnant water. Either you make the resolve to change or you continue staying exactly as you are.
Something tells me you're right.
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RE: Whelp, make me feel good people
April 19, 2016 at 12:27 am
(April 18, 2016 at 4:13 pm)breadbasketbomb Wrote: I already know I'm wrong to think of atheism this way. I want to stop thinking like this. The goal of this thread was to just have people say that I have to stop viewing things in such a paranoid manner. If they simply sat their flat asses down and say, "judging people strictly by their belief system of choice is wrong, and we don't do that here," this would have not have happened. It was the easiest choice.
In literally the first response to your post:
(April 16, 2016 at 8:55 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: Well, there's that.
Advice: treat people like individuals rather than the sum total of the people you've already experienced. It'll take you a lot farther in life.
Continuing to blame your actions on others or your depression is another pitfall. If you want to push people away, don't blame it on them.
Good luck, and welcome.
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RE: Whelp, make me feel good people
April 19, 2016 at 1:18 am
(This post was last modified: April 19, 2016 at 1:24 am by robvalue.)
The first thing to do is to let go of the idea that "atheists" are a group that share any sort of characteristics. They are just people. We've had many, many people come here with this idea and it would be great if you were one of the very few who actually changes their mind. Most people continue to generalise "us" no matter how we try to educate them.
It sounds like you are already an atheist. Anyone who doesn't actively believe that there is a God is an atheist. You don't have to actively believe that there isn't. You sound at least unsure; hence atheist. I'm not trying to win any battles by saying this, just pointing out the facts as I see them. If you're not a theist, you're an atheist. It's no more complex than that. Maybe seeing yourself as part of the group you have a problem with will help you realize you're generalising yourself as well.
Of course, whether you label yourself as such is your choice. But whether or not someone actually is an atheist is not dependent on whether they say they are.
I have much more detail on my website here about proper use of the word, and common misconceptions.
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RE: Whelp, make me feel good people
April 19, 2016 at 3:39 am
Well. For the better of us all, this shouldn't escalate any further. Hell is, after all, other people.
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RE: Whelp, make me feel good people
April 19, 2016 at 3:52 am
(April 19, 2016 at 3:39 am)breadbasketbomb Wrote: Well. For the better of us all, this shouldn't escalate any further. Hell is, after all, other people.
He quotes Sartre. He can't be all bad.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: Whelp, make me feel good people
April 19, 2016 at 8:13 am
(April 18, 2016 at 11:29 pm)breadbasketbomb Wrote: (April 18, 2016 at 10:54 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: Is that some sort of joke? Turn on the tv, open a newspaper. See what passes for news, for entertainment, for insight and know that this isn't some sort of bizarre accident. The TV exec hasn't had a nervous breakdown, the editor isn't having some sort of fit; this is what appeals to the vast majority. This is what sells. Look on youtube comments, facebook pages and see how people present themselves when they think noone is watching and when they know everyone is watching.
Observe this and know this knowledge does not mean you're better, more moral or more intelligent. It just means you're slightly more aware until the next time you consume the mind numbing trash that makes your unremarkable existence slightly more palatable.
In short; people aren't respectable people. Never have been, never will be.
Yep. Isolation doesn't slowly erode the mental state at all.
Good luck. With your advanced understanding of how depression works you're going to do great.
I didn't say I was isolating myself, neither did I say I was superior. I was saying that's not how depression works.
(April 18, 2016 at 4:58 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: bold mine
Kettle black.
I believe that you are the one lacking knowledge, or stated another way, you can only speak to how depression effects you and your symptoms. The fact that you believe that "people only act depressed when they are alone or without interaction" only indicates how little you know about depression.
Yeah. In truth I'm not a genius about it. That's just how it works for me actually.
Suffering from depression is not unique to you. It is certainly is not widely understood by laypersons, and a physically healthy looking person can be very stigmatized with bullshit cliche's such as "What is your problem?" and "It's all in your head."
I suffer from it too, especially when it comes to my mom when she has health issues. I beat myself up mentally with all the ifs and buts and will feel guilty no matter what trying to figure out if there is something I could do for her or say to her to help her. But the truth is it is still ultimately up to her.
I would suggest though if you really want help, a professional office/medical setting is a far better place than unregulated internet. But you are not the only one who has a mental illness. It doesn't make you a freak, but it is also not something you should claim as unique to you alone.
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