(April 18, 2016 at 6:51 am)breadbasketbomb Wrote: Yeah... you don't really know how depression works do you. Depressed people only act depressed when they are alone or without interaction. They do not deliberately avoid interaction or other people because the paranoia and emotions fade into the background. I meet as much people as any other person, but when trying to sleep or when left to their own thoughts, that can be where things go wrong. Depression is an unpleasant thought process, not the origin story of a stock character in a Shyamalan film.

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Kettle black.

I believe that you are the one lacking knowledge, or stated another way, you can only speak to how depression effects you and your symptoms. The fact that you believe that "people only act depressed when they are alone or without interaction" only indicates how little you know about depression.

(April 18, 2016 at 4:58 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:

(April 18, 2016 at 6:51 am)breadbasketbomb Wrote: Yeah... you don't really know how depression works do you. Depressed people only act depressed when they are alone or without interaction. They do not deliberately avoid interaction or other people because the paranoia and emotions fade into the background. I meet as much people as any other person, but when trying to sleep or when left to their own thoughts, that can be where things go wrong. Depression is an unpleasant thought process, not the origin story of a stock character in a Shyamalan film.

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Kettle black.

I believe that you are the one lacking knowledge, or stated another way, you can only speak to how depression effects you and your symptoms. The fact that you believe that "people only act depressed when they are alone or without interaction" only indicates how little you know about depression.

This.  Whenever I get into my post-manic states, I loathe being around people and doing things because I simply don't want to deal.  I'd rather sleep, or generally be alone.

(April 18, 2016 at 4:13 pm)breadbasketbomb Wrote:

(April 18, 2016 at 3:13 pm)KevinM1 Wrote:

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...did he really just go "Checkmate, atheists!" because some people, while sympathetic to his purported mental illness(es), pointed out he was being incredibly irrational?  And that he was somehow fishing for that?

Was it a failed attempt at trolling?

I'm honestly confused.

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Can you do the human race a favor and stop viewing everything as a debate? Because this isn't a debate.

I already know I'm wrong to think of atheism this way. I want to stop thinking like this. The goal of this thread was to just have people say that I have to stop viewing things in such a paranoid manner. If they simply sat their flat asses down and say, "judging people strictly by their belief system of choice is wrong, and we don't do that here," this would have not have happened. It was the easiest choice.

Allot were as easily as offended as a christian upon seeing a burning bible right at the first post. So I just decided, "fuck it, this is pointless," and decided to call atheists whatever I just called them. Not because of confirmation bias, because that would be against my interest, and not because I'm paranoid at the moment (note: part of depression and paranoia is that it goes on and off). But because it's clear you people don't want a form of reconciliation.

What I did however prove is that many are more interested in pushing a person away who is not perfectly, and I emphasize perfectly (as in still being on the fence), an atheist than actually just fitting that one last piece in. This is true of all parties really, but it seems to be many here are not immune to it either.

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Let's recap. I'll take the blame on this and say that by choosing a forum and not people face to face, I have instrumented the failure because I should of considered that anonymity breeds dick- one of the basic rules about the internet.

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Here is the summary of the first post:
-Frankly doesn't practice his beliefs, might as well be an atheist.
-I However expect the worst from people, and which can be a component of depression.
-I begin to hate people for no reason, and acknowledge this is not a good way to view people.
-One bad apple has become my first impression, forming a blanket statement.

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Quote:My goal in here is that I want atheists word for word to tell me in a welcoming manner that they're people just like any other.

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Instead I'm showered with more annoying stereotypes and humor that they think I'm not going to understand, that I perfectly understand. This was the exact opposite of my expectation, because I know allot of you are tired of the tribal nature that people have towards you. The stereotypes more than likely piss off allot, if not all of you. But with the results of the parent post, what's the point of reconciliation?

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Quote:There is none at this point because the lot of the guys posting here don't want to reconcile. They want the exact opposite in fact. They want there atheist populace to be as pure and strong together as ever.

Direct quotes from your OP:
* For me, I can only help but see the worst in people, everything really.
*I've been banned from study halls, tutoring centers and the library because I was very fucking angry. And I was arrested because I threatened a teacher who pretty much was as helpful as God.
*And we know about the bad apples on all sides, including yours.
*And considering the events that already ensued, I am not willing to be nice to other atheists and anti theists.
*I need to stop doing this and get on with my pathetic life.
*Okay, so there you go. So, how about all of you tell me about how I'm going to become a terreests or sum stoopid shit lolololo!1111!!! Presumably so I can hate you more. And if you don't, I'll assume God exists.
     Are you sure we don't know you under another name??  I'm pretty sure I have seen this type of rant before.  So no, the problem isn't your anonymity.  The problem is you started out with insults.  You acted like a dick before anyone even replied.

You want atheists word for word to tell you in a welcoming manner that we're people just like any other?  Sure, ok.  We're just people like any other.  Some here have been welcoming.  Some have also noted that we don't "decide" to be atheist.  We just don't believe god exists.
And there is no "atheist populace".  There is no statement of disbelief or tenets to follow.  We are all different.
      And we are all human.  So if you come in here and attack and insult us in every post, we're going to attack back.  We don't believe saints exist either, although many here are very gentle even with people raining insults on us as a group.  
     We are all human.  You want pleasant discourse, get rid of the insults.

The demands for us to reconcile are strange. What have we done that requires reconciliation? Not meeting certain standards? Sorry, not our job/purpose.

(April 18, 2016 at 4:42 pm)breadbasketbomb Wrote:

(April 18, 2016 at 4:33 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Our responses are not obligated to conform to you. The only thing any human can do is respond to the individual. I would suggest you do that instead of expecting others to conform to you. Some individuals may agree and respond to your requests, others may not. You can only control you, not others.

You know, you're right.

That's the whole reason this is a failure.

Not because atheists are bad. I know they're not. But because well... they're human. This is what is to be expected nonetheless. Thank you random Abba fan.

I smell a troll.

I'm sort of done now. :p

OK. Now let's start talking about issues which may or may not help rather than picking on dumb things.
Firstly, before we waste our time and your time, are you interested or capable of constructive discussion?

If you just need a punching bag, that's fine too, but there's better websites for that.

(April 18, 2016 at 6:51 am)breadbasketbomb Wrote:

(April 18, 2016 at 12:01 am)RaphielDrake Wrote: I don't care. About anything you typed. Your anger, your depression, what you've been through, blah blah blah. I don't care. You're nobody to me.
The only difference between me and most people is that most people won't come out and say that. They'll humor you and then make a note to themselves never to talk to you again.
Anyway, I figure someone should put the truth in laymen terms; Learn to conceal your crazy like everyone else or become isolated and get crazier.
Have fun deciding which of those is a better fate.

I'm not here asking for help on depression. I already no how to take care of that. The goal of this thread is to help me see atheists as impressionable and respectable people. I can see now that this attempt was a failure, albeit a very entertaining one. So far you and c172 (what's his name...) actually managed to have a certain understanding. This is quite a sad outcome really, because it proves that the goal of peacefully crossing fingers and hope the muslims simple convert is not going to happen, especially because of how they're interacting even towards those who consider abandoning their beliefs.

As for the isolation part? Yeah... you don't really know how depression works do you. Depressed people only act depressed when they are alone or without interaction. They do not deliberately avoid interaction or other people because the paranoia and emotions fade into the background. I meet as much people as any other person, but when trying to sleep or when left to their own thoughts, that can be where things go wrong. Depression is an unpleasant thought process, not the origin story of a stock character in a Shyamalan film.

Is that some sort of joke? Turn on the tv, open a newspaper. See what passes for news, for entertainment, for insight and know that this isn't some sort of bizarre accident. The TV exec hasn't had a nervous breakdown, the editor isn't having some sort of fit; this is what appeals to the vast majority. This is what sells. Look on youtube comments, facebook pages and see how people present themselves when they think noone is watching and when they know everyone is watching.
Observe this and know this knowledge does not mean you're better, more moral or more intelligent. It just means you're slightly more aware until the next time you consume the mind numbing trash that makes your unremarkable existence slightly more palatable. 
In short; people aren't respectable people. Never have been, never will be.

Yep. Isolation doesn't slowly erode the mental state at all.
Good luck. With your advanced understanding of how depression works you're going to do great.

(April 18, 2016 at 10:54 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote:

(April 18, 2016 at 6:51 am)breadbasketbomb Wrote: I'm not here asking for help on depression. I already no how to take care of that. The goal of this thread is to help me see atheists as impressionable and respectable people. I can see now that this attempt was a failure, albeit a very entertaining one. So far you and c172 (what's his name...) actually managed to have a certain understanding. This is quite a sad outcome really, because it proves that the goal of peacefully crossing fingers and hope the muslims simple convert is not going to happen, especially because of how they're interacting even towards those who consider abandoning their beliefs.

As for the isolation part? Yeah... you don't really know how depression works do you. Depressed people only act depressed when they are alone or without interaction. They do not deliberately avoid interaction or other people because the paranoia and emotions fade into the background. I meet as much people as any other person, but when trying to sleep or when left to their own thoughts, that can be where things go wrong. Depression is an unpleasant thought process, not the origin story of a stock character in a Shyamalan film.

Is that some sort of joke? Turn on the tv, open a newspaper. See what passes for news, for entertainment, for insight and know that this isn't some sort of bizarre accident. The TV exec hasn't had a nervous breakdown, the editor isn't having some sort of fit; this is what appeals to the vast majority. This is what sells. Look on youtube comments, facebook pages and see how people present themselves when they think noone is watching and when they know everyone is watching.
Observe this and know this knowledge does not mean you're better, more moral or more intelligent. It just means you're slightly more aware until the next time you consume the mind numbing trash that makes your unremarkable existence slightly more palatable. 
In short; people aren't respectable people. Never have been, never will be.

Yep. Isolation doesn't slowly erode the mental state at all.
Good luck. With your advanced understanding of how depression works you're going to do great.

I didn't say I was isolating myself, neither did I say I was superior. I was saying that's not how depression works.

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(April 18, 2016 at 4:58 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:

(April 18, 2016 at 6:51 am)breadbasketbomb Wrote: Yeah... you don't really know how depression works do you. Depressed people only act depressed when they are alone or without interaction. They do not deliberately avoid interaction or other people because the paranoia and emotions fade into the background. I meet as much people as any other person, but when trying to sleep or when left to their own thoughts, that can be where things go wrong. Depression is an unpleasant thought process, not the origin story of a stock character in a Shyamalan film.

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Kettle black.

I believe that you are the one lacking knowledge, or stated another way, you can only speak to how depression effects you and your symptoms. The fact that you believe that "people only act depressed when they are alone or without interaction" only indicates how little you know about depression.

Yeah. In truth I'm not a genius about it. That's just how it works for me actually.

(April 18, 2016 at 8:58 am)breadbasketbomb Wrote: I'm a pessimist. A very pessimistic person.  And really, that's what I'm getting around here. Allot of companions and friends I had left me because i hated them for being atheist. Despite never attacking me or even mentioning religion. I just walked up to them with an angry face and told them how much I hated them. I wanted to stop thinking like that for once.

Well all that negativity you carry around isn't going to help you stop thinking the worst about anyone. The hate that you have in your heart has grown to such an extent that even those that love you are hated by you - even if you've never told them - it's clear the hate you have.
The only person who can get you to stop thinking that way is you. No amount of convincing or showing you or telling you stories about good and positive things is going to change that. You have to want to change for yourself. If you're not willing to find a starting point at which you stop acting so negative, then you'll continue to sit in stagnant water. Either you make the resolve to change or you continue staying exactly as you are.