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April 18, 2016 at 1:24 pm
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(April 18, 2016 at 1:18 pm)Cherubim Wrote: (April 18, 2016 at 1:15 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Not really responsive. Newspaper or Bible without further information is nothing. What makes you think the bible is evidence of god, let alone evidence that makes god more likely than not? Provide evidence, not just a dubious list of where you might find evidence.
Your information ideas are too incoherent to refute.
holytext (DOT) org/proof-god-inspired-the-bible
In sentences, that can be seen and discussed here. That isn't even a link let alone evidence.
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April 18, 2016 at 1:25 pm
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(April 18, 2016 at 1:12 pm)Stimbo Wrote: "Matter does not produce non-matter" - so how did your god manage it? Give me something observable and testable.
And while we're at it, will OP agree to have invasive surgery done so certain parts of his brain can be removed? You know, so we can continue to enjoy your "thoughts" that are in no way produced by matter.
I would regard that as sufficiently miraculous to lend provisional credence to your claims.
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RE: Christian answering questions.
April 18, 2016 at 1:25 pm
(April 18, 2016 at 1:21 pm)Cherubim Wrote: You asked for my "opinion" and I gave it. I wrote that. Not liking the answer isn't my problem. Ask if you want an answer. If you don't want it, don't ask.
That is anything but you opinion. That's copy paste. So, again, god, the holy spirit, Jesus, one entity. Eternal, omniscient, omnipotent. How can such an entity die? Your words, please, not your handbook. And why would have such an entity have to die, in order to remedy a sin it created in the first place?
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April 18, 2016 at 1:25 pm
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(April 18, 2016 at 1:24 pm)Jenny A Wrote: (April 18, 2016 at 1:18 pm)Cherubim Wrote: holytext (DOT) org/proof-god-inspired-the-bible
In sentences. That can be seen and discussed here. That isn't even a link.
You rejected an answer. I will ignore you from now on. I clearly told you in the beginning what was going to happen and how.
(April 18, 2016 at 1:25 pm)abaris Wrote: (April 18, 2016 at 1:21 pm)Cherubim Wrote: You asked for my "opinion" and I gave it. I wrote that. Not liking the answer isn't my problem. Ask if you want an answer. If you don't want it, don't ask.
That is anything but you opinion. That's copy paste. So, again, god, the holy spirit, Jesus, one entity. Eternal, omniscient, omnipotent. How can such an entity die? Your words, please, not your handbook. And why would have such an entity have to die, in order to remedy a sin it created in the first place?
I copied and pasted what I had written previously. There is no need for me to re-write it for you. It's been written on my website for that specific reason, so I don't have to re-type it all the time. So far you have nothing but complaints about how I delivered my answer. Again and I will ignore your questions as well.
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RE: Christian answering questions.
April 18, 2016 at 1:29 pm
(April 18, 2016 at 1:04 pm)Cherubim Wrote: I can't repeat myself. Every scientists on earth, interprets the data, based on their beliefs. Understand what that means and you wont give me these types of answers / questions.
I didn't ask you to repeat yourself. I asked you a new question, which (rephrased) is:
How in the hell can you argue that "every scientists on earth, interprets the data, based on their beliefs" when Christians (yes, including evangelicals), Muslims, Buddhists, atheists, Shintoists, etc., who are biologists all agree on evolution?
The only tiny minority who do not agree are Biblical (or Qur'an) literalists who think it would violate their faith (and invalidate the sacrifice on the cross) in order to reject a literal interpretation of Genesis.
You are asserting an idea that we are all just "having our opinions", and I am asking you why everyone's opinion agrees on the subject of evolutionary biology except for your small group of Biblical literalists?
You are claiming everyone on earth has an agenda, and so do you. But why would so many others' agendas agree on this subject? A Chinese Buddhist has no reason to agree with an American Catholic's interpretation on any subject.
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I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: Christian answering questions.
April 18, 2016 at 1:29 pm
(April 18, 2016 at 1:25 pm)Cherubim Wrote: I copied and pasted what I had written previously. There is no need for me to re-write it for you. It's been written on my website for that specific reason, so I don't have to re-type it all the time. So far you have nothing but complaints about how I delivered my answer. Again and I will ignore your questions as well.
So, let's be concrete here. How can god die? Was there a sede vacante for three days? How does an eternal being die?
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Oh, and by the way, you just implied that my wife, who is a Methodist and also a working evolutionary biologist in the field of genetics, is not really a Christian. I'll tell her you said so, and that she can stop going to church every week. Thanks!
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: Christian answering questions.
April 18, 2016 at 1:30 pm
(April 18, 2016 at 1:25 pm)Cherubim Wrote: (April 18, 2016 at 1:24 pm)Jenny A Wrote: In sentences. That can be seen and discussed here. That isn't even a link.
You rejected an answer. I will ignore you from now on. I clearly told you in the beginning what was going to happen and how.
![Tongue Tongue](https://atheistforums.org/images/smilies/tongue.gif) What a surprise. You can't provide evidence so you ignore any one who holds your feet to the fire asking for evidence. Have fun with the mental mastrubation. Will you declare victory when no one responds to what you haven't provided?
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RE: Christian answering questions.
April 18, 2016 at 1:30 pm
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(April 18, 2016 at 1:11 pm)Cherubim Wrote: (April 18, 2016 at 1:08 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Can and will you demonstrate a sign of your belief for us, like drinking Drano Liquid, or molten boron, or concentrated sulfuric acid, and showing us it doesn't hurt you ??
Thomas wanted to feel the nail holes, we want something of similar gravitas, so that we might ourselves know your truth.
holytext (DOT) org/proof-god-inspired-the-bible I read through all that, and despite it's claim to have knowledge of 'the truth' numbers, I could not find the actual important number mentioned anywhere in the articles or the Bible itself.
Without putting greatest value on, or even mentioning, 4815162342, the Bible's numeric code has been proven false. Guess I still have to keep looking for the real religion.
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RE: Christian answering questions.
April 18, 2016 at 1:33 pm
(April 18, 2016 at 12:46 pm)Cherubim Wrote: (April 18, 2016 at 12:41 pm)Stimbo Wrote: So your god made the whole Universe and everything in it. How? By what mechanism or means? How do you know this and how do we test for it?
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. - Genesis 1:3
Notice God said.
“Everything owes its existence solely and completely to sound.” - Peter Guy Manners
This is all we have from scripture on how He created it. I do not know, nor does it really matter for salvation. "God said" so the first thing god did was use language, the sole purpose of which is to communicate with others. So this is "proof" of multiple beings around at that time yes?
Not that I believe any of it of course. Childish nonsense.
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